Overheal wrote: » Okay so we can ignore NIST and just focus on what happened. The exterior fell for 2+ seconds in free fall. Your own links say there was free fall.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Plasco was in Iran- one of the worst places on earth for maintaining building standards. They made it of concrete and steel, no fireproofing, the Iranians declared the building unsafe before the collapse. Gas canisters were stored inside the building ( temps above normal) plus it collapsed with four corners toppling inwards (another clue its natural)
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Have you read this? It's the most detailed explanation of freefall you find online. He goes over every aspect why its impossible by natural means. https://medium.com/@davidchandler_61838/free-fall-131a94a1be7e
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » 8 floors collapsed from one corner wall to the next corner wall (east to west) ( to enable freefall ) "100 feet of floors" this not shown in the NIST model.
Overheal wrote: » From your link: It reads:All four corners of the building start downward within a fraction of a second of each other. The roof line remains essentially level during the entire period of free fall. Whatever is happening to remove resistance is happening across the entire width of the building simultaneously to within a small fraction of a second. Lack of precise synchronization in the removal of support would lead to tumbling.
Overheal wrote: » That's okay we can throw out the NIST model.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Why you mixing up two different events on different sides of the world?
Overheal wrote: » That should be evident from the posts. You wished to argue that 4 corners collapsing together proved that the Plasco building collapse was natural. 4 corners of WTC 7 collapsed together as well. By your logic, this proves the collapse was natural.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » sad people still defend it. [/B]
Overheal wrote: » Remarks like this don't belong in the forum.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Was not directed at you personally, sorry if you took that way Keep reading Chandler blog, he has 5 parts, it gets better the more you read it! See you later.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I getting a headache now, i am off for the day. NIST fooled lot of people and sad people still defend it.
New York, NY, April 23, 2015 --(PR.com)-- International consulting engineer Weidlinger Associates, Inc., received a 2015 American Council of Engineering Companies (ACEC) National Grand Award for the firm’s comprehensive forensic investigation of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center (7 WTC). The award is one of ACEC’s top honors; as one of only eight Grand Award winners, the project was also a finalist for the ACEC 2015 Grand Conceptor Award, which recognizes the nation’s best overall engineering project.
A 5 year independent study by a team at an engineering firm corroborating the findings of the FEMA report, and the NIST report A firm of 300 employees that has won 150 engineering awards. Previously in 2004 they won a National Grand Conceptor Award from the American Consulting Engineers Council for their study in the WTC collapse
Viewed together, these images show that failure at this floor first begins with the collapse of the girder between columns 79 and 80. The knife connections at both ends of this girder fail in major-axis rotation and the girder begins to fall. The secondary beams framing into the east side of this girder remain connected; the west ends of these beams therefore fall with the girder. Once the rotation of these beams becomes great enough, Collapse analysis and assessment the seated and header connections at the perimeter frame fail in major-axis rotation. At this point, the entire assemblage becomes free-falling debris.
Dohnjoe wrote: » *Don't forget the Collapse Analysis and Assessment Report on WTC 7 carried out by Weidlinger Which also found WTC 7 fell due to fire, the one that received the 2015 American Council of Engineering Companies (ACEC) National Grand Awardhttps://www.pr.com/press-release/616337https://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/WTC_7_Collapse_Analysis_and_Assessment_Report.pdf Ah crap, even they are mentioning free-fall
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » How does one column collapsing allegedly cause freefall? Freefall can only happen here when 84 steel columns, girders, beams- floor slaps every connection there, across the entire width of the building collapsed :rolleyes: NIST model does not show that- look at the images provided.
SECRET BLACK-OPS MEETING TRANSCRIPT: Mr.X : The plan is to fake an attack on the US by flying four jumbo jets into specific targets. Col. Y: What are the targets? Mr. X: Both towers of the WTC in New York, the Pentagon, and a field somewhere in Pennsylvania. Col. Y: Okay, what? Why crash a plane into Pennsylvania? Mr.X: I'll get to that. Phase 1 will be the crashes, and Phase 2 will be the collapse of the buildings using controlled demolition. Col Y: Are you nuts? Why not rig the buildings with explosives and set them off instead of flying jumbo jets into them? Mr.X: We need a believable narrative? Col Y: What kind of narrative? Mr.X: We plan to invade Afghanistan and Iraq under the cover of these attacks. Those buildings need to come down. Col Y: Why isn't crashing jets into the targets enough? Mr X: We need the visuals, footage of the towers collapsing will be played over and over enraging the American people until they demand revenge. Col Y: Okay. And we frame Iraqi Republican Guards and the Taliban for the attacks? Mr.X: No, we'll frame Egyptians, Saudis, and everyone but Iraqis? Col Y: But you said we're using the attacks as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Why aren't we going to frame their governments? Mr X: Too obvious. Col Y: But won't the American people prefer we deal with the Saudis? Mr.X: Leave that to me. Col Y: Okay, so we invade Iraq and Afghanistan a week after the attack, right? Mr X: No, fool, we invade Afghanistan first because we're framing Al Qaeda. Col Y: Why not just strike Al Qaeda now? They bombed two of our embassies and the USS Cole. Why not just fake an intelligence report that they're planning a big strike in the US and then thwack them and invade Afghanistan under that pretense? Mr X: We need dead Americans. Col Y: When do we invade Iraq? Mr X: Two years later. We're going to claim that they're stockpiling WMD's. Col Y: They don't have any WMD's. Are we going to fly in some of our chemical stockpile to plant in Iraq? Mr X: No. Col Y: So we're going to wire three buildings with demo charges and fly jumbo jets - not hijacked by Iraqis or Afghans - into these targets to invade two countries...because why? Mr X: Money and control. Col Y: My kid is at Harvard and he says the money will be in something called Social Media. Mr X: No, war is the answer (twirls mustache).
Overheal wrote: » Weidlinger study seems very comprehensive in this regardhttps://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/WTC_7_Collapse_Analysis_and_Assessment_Report.pdf
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » This group claims NIST is wrong about the failure at column 79. Dr Bailey theory the same as NIST's.
Overheal wrote: » And?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » No girder slipped from its seat at column 79 and 44, no progressive collapse inside the building. They fighting with each other how it happened.
Overheal wrote: » The weidlinger report is extremely thorough about how it happened.https://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/WTC_7_Collapse_Analysis_and_Assessment_Report.pdf
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » What floor does Weidlinger claim the collapse started on read the report and reply.
Overheal wrote: » They mention it in the reporthttps://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/WTC_7_Collapse_Analysis_and_Assessment_Report.pdf read the report then reply.
PSA for all the Area 51 stormers, chemtrail believers and climate change deniers: Edward Snowden has searched the depths of the US intelligence networks and can report the conspiracy theories are not true. As a former employee of the CIA and contractor for the National Security Agency, Snowden had access to some of the nation's most closely held secrets. And, like any curious mind with access to the CIA's version of Google might do, he went in search of answers to some of society's most pressing questions. As it turns out, the US government is not aware of any intelligent, extraterrestrial life, he says. "For the record, as far as I could tell, aliens have never contacted Earth, or at least they haven't contacted US intelligence," Snowden writes in his recent memoir, "Permanent Record." Also, the moon landing did indeed occur. "In case you were wondering: Yes, man really did land on the moon. Climate change is real. Chemtrails are not a thing," he adds.
The NSA whistleblower addressed the conspiracies again on an episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience" podcast, released Wednesday, saying "there's no evidence" of aliens and chemtrails and the like. "I know, Joe, I know you want there to be aliens," Snowden joked to Rogan, the podcast's host. "I know Neil deGrasse Tyson badly wants there to be aliens. And there probably are, right? "But the idea that we're hiding them -- if we are hiding them -- I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all these groups. I couldn't find anything," he continued. "So if it's hidden, and it could be hidden, it's hidden really damn well, even from people who are on the inside."
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Is the same floors where NIST said the collapse started? They claim it began on 9th and 10th floor and NIST says 13th floor on the eastside (left) If you look at photographic evidence- New York fire department chopper images between 3pm and 4pm ) seven collapsed an hour later) all fires on the eastside are out. The story is fake.
Overheal wrote: » You say that yet the photo you linked to clearly displays fires.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Building seven only one in the picture has collapsed to pockets of fires. They are all steel framed high rises on fire.http://bgye.sohw0.top/
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » If you look at photographic evidence- New York fire department chopper images between 3pm and 4pm ) seven collapsed an hour later)
Overheal wrote: »
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Does this look like building seven collapse to you?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Building seven only one in the picture has collapsed to pockets of fires.
"The building was fully involved in fire."
"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild. The MPs said the building was going to collapse. I said, "Nah, I don't know." And then all of a sudden I watched the building shake like an earthquake hit it, and the building came down."
We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors.
Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable.
Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building.
...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down.
I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor,
When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring.
At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –
