Topgear on Dave wrote: » Good one here.https://www.thecork.ie/2020/01/20/question-who-is-cork-largest-employer-answer-apple-with-6000-staff/ For all the hot air about the money held in the apple account it's fairly small potatoes in the scheme of MNC investment in Ireland. The intel place alone is investing few billion in their factory now.
efanton wrote: » Lets imagine FG gain some seats in an election called because they could not form a coalition. Which party is going to be willing to become their coalition partners.
Micheal Martin will be history, so I doubt very FF will be willing to consider a coalition under a new leadership. Lets be totally outlandish and lets imagine FG get 40 seats which parties or parties will make up the other 40 seats. THats not going to happen unless SF of FF are on board. So yes I am certain in a new general election FG will be in no position whatsoever to form a government or be a coalition partner.
The SF plan for housing was admittedly ambitious but definitely doable.
FG are dead as far as being in government because there will be no support from like minded parties big enough to make up the magic 80 seats, and never likely to be again.
Even if FG got 35% of the seats in the Dail it still wold not be enough for them to even seek to form a coalition.
So where are FG going to get the additional seats to form a government after a general election?
blanch152 wrote: » That can only mean you are using his sexuality for political purposes.
efanton wrote: » I am not totally convinced that multinationals contribute as much is claimed to the Irish economy
markodaly wrote: » This is the same type of stuff we see on Twitter about Leo. There is downright homophobic and outright racist bile written about him. Here, in this thread, although it's not outright homophobic in the same nasty sense we see on Twitter, dare I say there is unconscious homophobia at play from those that hate him. Like, we are not discussing MLM or MM's sexual preferences are we, yet Leos one seems to crop up all the time. I wonder why? :rolleyes: So, yea, when I see FB going on about him being 'gay' for the 200th time, I wonder what is he really trying to say?
markodaly wrote: » Well then you would be wrong. Multinationals and FDI are the crown jewels of the Irish economy. We have done seriously well in that regard. Just travel and work in a few different countries and you will realise how well Ireland has done to attract and keep these companies. Without them, we would be like Serbia or some other such place, exporting foodstuffs and maybe a few services. One things for certain, we would not be anywhere near as wealthy as we are now. Play with it at your peril.
What I would like to see, and I have yet to see it, is a proper analysis of exactly how much the multinationals contribute to the Irish economy along side how much we as a country subsidise them or lose in tax revenue.
McMurphy wrote: » You are purposely missing the point and insinuating things that aren't taking place - I couldn't care less what sexuality anyone is - gay? Tear away. Bisexual? Cool with me, trans hetrosexuals etc etc I couldn't give a sh1t so long as they're consenting adults it is no one else's business. I can't speak for others mentioning his sexuality, but it was brought up here in the context that he opposed SSM, and later came out and championed them when it was politically advantageous to do so. Yeah - he wanted to deny others the same rights that hetrosexuals have been enjoying since forever to try and further his own political career, and did the exact opposite a short while later and for the exact same reasons. That's the only reason his sexuality was mentioned, it was mighty odd that a gay man entirely of his own bat stood up and opposed SSM, he didn't have to make any comment on them at all, but he did.I can't think of any other gay politicians that made speeches against the introduction of SSM maybe you do? I do not care for the thinly veiled homophobic insinuating comments either. You know you're on the road to nothing when that's all is in the tank.
efanton wrote: » What I would like to see, and I have yet to see it, is a proper analysis of exactly how much the multinationals contribute to the Irish economy along side how much we as a country subsidise them or lose in tax revenue. .
efanton wrote: » I am not denying that FDI has benefited Ireland. The point I made, quite clearly I thought, is that how much has it cost the Irish state to bring that FDI into the country, and is it possible that a similar investment in indigenous Irish companies giving them similar tax breaks and incentives might have resulted in a similar amount of job creation.
blanch152 wrote: » You contradict yourself within the same post. Nobody else makes anything of this except you. It is a low-level smear based on the man's sexuality.
smurgen wrote: » He was following the guidelines. It's a non issue and no comparison to Cummins antics.
efanton wrote: » What I would like to see, and I have yet to see it, is a proper analysis of exactly how much the multinationals contribute to the Irish economy along side how much we as a country subsidise them or lose in tax revenue. I am not totally convinced that multinationals contribute as much is claimed to the Irish economy,
efanton wrote: » What I would like to see, and I have yet to see it, is a proper analysis of exactly how much the multinationals contribute to the Irish economy along side how much we as a country subsidise them or lose in tax revenue. If anyone has seen that breakdown I would very much appreciate a link.
blanch152 wrote: » Well, if they weren't here, we would get 0 in tax revenues from them.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » No he didn't, advice is not to have a picnic in the park.
McMurphy wrote: » The fact that he is a gay man who spoke out against SSM being introduced was kind of pertinent to the tale. If you think I'm being homophobic report it to a moderator, and let them decide, otherwise just deal with the point in question.
FrancieBrady wrote: » His sexual preference had nothing to do with him opposing reform. He was either for SSM or against it. 100's of thousands of unknown and unimportant sexual preferences were for SSM because it was a human right.
blanch152 wrote: » What you don't understand is that (1) There is absolutely nothing wrong with a gay person being opposed to same-sex marriage. That comes down to their personal and religious beliefs not their sexuality. A pregnant woman can be for or against abortion, ditto a mother, nothing to do with their maternal nature. (2) Many many people changed their mind on the issue. Varadkar ended up leading the change, so I guess that sticks in the craw for some, but they would be better off getting over it. (3) Repeatedly mentioning Varadkar's sexuality is low-level homophobia (below trolling level so not possible to prove) akin to "look over there at the gay man", there is no getting away from that. The only people you see talking about it are Sinn Fein voters and supporters, which really says it all.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So you are saying that well into the 2000's Leo was trying, like the DUP, to impose his religious and moral beliefs on everyone else? Could be that ok. Either way you swing it, it doesn't reflect well on him.
Apple tax: Tech firm got €18m in grants for Cork plant as well as logistical support When it first came here in 1980, a 10-year tax holiday for multinationals was in effect which meant it paid no corporation tax until 1990. Companies that arrived a year later were not so lucky as the scheme had been wrapped up under a prior agreement with Brussels as part of the conditions of Ireland’s entry to the EU. But Apple had fair warning that their vacation was coming to an end and restructured itself to create Apple Sales International in 1990. This was the main mechanism by which the company has managed to avoid Irish taxes since. In 1991, the first of two tax rulings by Revenue setting out the company’s tax status came into effect. It was replaced by a similar one in 2007. Both had the effect of extracting tax at a rate that varied from a very modest 4% to a barely visible 0.005%.https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/apple-tax-tech-firm-got-18m-in-grants-for-cork-plant-as-well-as-logistical-support-418782.html
'Doffing the cap' to Apple is a bad look for Ireland Inc Sure enough, business news agency Bloomberg headlined its piece on the award, “Apple’s Cook Set For Irish Award After Years Of Tax Disputes.” Yes, Apple has been a good employer here, and now has one of the largest workforces in Ireland. Apple also was here before many of the internet-era come-latelys but then, so were others who have endured and expanded, including IBM, Intel, and Microsoft.https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/doffing-the-cap-to-apple-is-a-bad-look-for-ireland-inc-1.4141006
Bishop of hope wrote: » Jesus Francie, where did you get that from? Surely the whole point of the referendums, was to give people the choice and the right to do as they please and not be dictated to by any particular religious or others moral beliefs. That's a funny old twist you put on that one.
1) There is absolutely nothing wrong with a gay person being opposed to same-sex marriage. That comes down to their personal and religious beliefs not their sexuality. A pregnant woman can be for or against abortion, ditto a mother, nothing to do with their maternal nature.
Geuze wrote: » I'll have a look.https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-bii/businessinireland2017/https://www.cso.ie/en/csolatestnews/presspages/2020/foreigndirectinvestmentinireland2018/https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-fdi/foreigndirectinvestmentinireland2018/
Bowie wrote: » And yourself of course. You've a habit of using Varadkar's sexuality to infer homophobia and the like from critics even when his sexuality is not mentioned. You get great mileage out of using Mr. Varadkar's sexuality to try score points.
efanton wrote: » My gut instinct would be that we would get better bang for buck from aiding indigenous Irish companies in a similar way to the way we aid FDI, but it is likely that this is a case of economies of scale. We get less bang for buck from FDI but there is a whole lot more of it, compared to better bang for buck form indigenous Irish companies but the opportunities and scale would be less.
markodaly wrote: » Yet, here you are discussing his sexual preferences...again. You know the saying about a duck?
markodaly wrote: » Again, you would be wrong. If it were that simple, why don't other countries just magic up an indigenous Intel or Amazon or Google or Apple or Phizers or Elli Lilly... One can support SME's or smaller indigenous companies to a certain extent but let's not go down the Dev economic path of trying to be self-sustainable either with its dire economic consequences. Larger countries like ours have tried this, to much failure.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are the only people who wish to talk about them. My point is that a republican should not allow his/her moral and religious beliefs or anything else to deny rights to people.
