Blondini wrote: » So for maths I'm using From vsware: 5th year Christmas 5th year Easter 5th year summer 6th year Christmas 6th year Mock (with caution) From teachers journal: All other assessments From working with the student: Engagement Homework etc Finally, in addition to all the above, I am applying professional judgement to help arrive at final grade. Comprehensive enough? Opinions welcome!
rainbowtrout wrote: » The application of the guidelines applies to all subjects. Schools/teachers generate data. If you choose to hold a monthly class test then you have lots of data. If you choose to hold no class tests, and only go with christmas and summer tests you have less data. You can be in any type of school and make that choice.
Rosita wrote: » Presumably any teacher who suggests using class tests they have documented will have to find some way to scan this and make it available to a school data system as students will be entitled to see what has been taken into consideration.
km79 wrote: » I’m sure her school has provided her with all the information available already but just in case here it ishttps://www.education.ie/en/Learners/Information/State-Examinations/a-guide-to-calculated-grades-for-leaving-certificate-students-2020.pdfhttps://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/#information-for-leaving-cert-students That’s it. No teacher can add anything to it for students .
paddybarry wrote: » Would you not consider the sec results for past 3 years?
History Queen wrote: » My thinking on that is that it isn't the teachers place to do so. That's the alignment process. Maybe I've misunderstood?
paddybarry wrote: » I would have the opposite view. Ive had same class group for past 3 years. Sec gives me a fair guide. Doing it by year also helps as ability wise this years class might be closer to 2018 for example. Page 13 of guidelines states that this helps informs professional judgement.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Some will use it, some won't. You can argue your group this year is very similar to previous years, therefore the SEC pattern will be part of the process. You can argue this group are not similar to previous years or other factors may have changed such as a new teacher in department etc and hence you could argue these stats are not useful. I will use it for one of my LC subjects but not the other. I can't really go into much more detail than that tho. You can fill in the gap yourself.
Treppen wrote: » I'd ignore any result from before Christmas 2019. It'd be like judging the form of a racehorse by a lap he did 10 years ago.
solerina wrote: » Kids often do much better on the day but kids that average mid 40s suddenly springing something over 70 in the mocks..... I call cheats, yes one in a class of 30 may achieve this jump but I still find it extremely suspicious !! I would base my prediction closer to their average
Purefrank128 wrote: » What makes you think that students will be entitled to see what evidence has been taken into consideration in decided the initial school-based mark? What document suggests that? If a student appeals the final calculated grade, he/she can see the initial school-based mark and rank, but the appeal is very limited and is essentially a check for any clerical or administrative errors. I don't see anything to suggest that students will be told how the school arrived at their marks. Since much of the evidence is non-corporeal, i.e. teachers' professional judgement, there is no way that students could or should expect to be able to see it.
Rosita wrote: » This is insane. Any student prepared to challenged this will drive a coach and four (with the words GDPR written on the side) through the make-it-up-as-we-go-along-and-change-as-soon-as-we-are-challenged system. The results are the student's, not the teacher's, not the Principal's, not the Dept of Education's. Any teacher worth their salt should not have a problem explaining where they came up with results and judgements and would be well advised to be ready to do so. It is in the nature of the Irish public service to be secretive but that won't wash in this situation. Schools will not be in a position to be fudge this one and say students are not entitled to their own information. That's like saying you can't have your own school report.
Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: » I’m not sure I agree with that. If that’s the case ‘professional judgement’ goes out the window. You’re essentially saying all evidence has to be tangible and quantifiable. How do you put a percentage on an opinion?
Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: » Letting students see the ranking is also unwise. Diligent Denis aghast at not making the top 10 while lazy Lorraine is perched in 8th place. A recipe for disaster. Either trust teachers or don’t.The student has the opportunity to resit any exam they’re not happy with.
Legend Numerous Fig wrote: » But how do you prove professional judgement? The document clearly distinguishes between evidence, and records of evidence. All relevant evidence is to be used, whether a record exists or not.
Rosita wrote: » You don't prove it. It's not a matter of fact and not subject to proof. You demonstrate how it was arrived at and what the judgement was based on and prove that it was reasonable and rational. It's standard stuff for teachers who do it all the time. The stakes are just a little higher now that's all.
Legend Numerous Fig wrote: » You say it has to be overtly defensible. I'm asking how?
Rosita wrote: » Lawyers will probably advise on that in due course. But the idea that someone could potentially pull a mark out if their rear end and not have it capable of being challenged is fanciful.
