Deleted User wrote: » https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/05/irelands-right-wing-congeals Apolgies,if this is wrong place,and i know this is from.the tribute,so mildly prejudiced But this is a good outside,reading of where irish politics stands at present
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Council houses were sold off since the 70s in Ireland. FG's fault yeah? So blaming FG for everything like you have in your post make me think its just another rant without any facts to back it up.
efanton wrote: » Dont know to be perfectly honest, would like to think that SF will deliver. I see it this way, They know they will only ever get one chance to prove themselves once they actually form a government. With that on their mind they are likely to deliver or try their very best. Not to do so will mean going back to the political margins of Irish politics One thing is certain, we cant go on as a country the way we have. A country is not only an economy, and if your only measure of success is GDP or GNP, the you are doing something horribly wrong. What I simply cant understand is why FG are hell bent on their neo-liberal thatcherite policies that have been shown to be a disaster in those countries that vigorously adopted that stance. I lived and worked in the UK. it was a great country to work in until Thatcher destroyed it. Margaret Thatcher absolutely decimated that country and look at the state it is in now. Politicians there cant even agree with other politicians in their own party. Now we have a Taoiseach who idolises Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, ignoring the sorry fate that both ended up in. Just look at the UK, first it was sell all the council houses, then allow property developers and landlords to go rampant, then cut spending on services especially the health service, then see the basic standard of living for most people in the country drop through the floor until many have to have two jobs just to get by, and many finding they have a better standard of living on social welfare that actually working for a living. What did they expect, if ordinary people with no professional qualification or trade cant survive on minimum wage its obvious they will refuse to work for a pittance that barely pays their rent and groceries. That sounds all too familiar doesn't it. Ireland is currently just a decade or two behind the demise of the UK. But Leo and his cohort will plough on regardless just like Thatcher, and never have learnt a thing from the mistake of others. I think FG have cooked there goose a little too much, and they will wither away just like the labour party. FF might survive if they get rid of those at the top and all those who oversaw the financial collapse of this country and swing back to the centre or left again but somehow I think they too are too blind to see what is happening as well and will never regain their strength. I hope SF do get a chance to form a government. This country needs now more than ever is a left of centre government or a realignment of what is considered nationally important for a government. If they do a good job, then they will continue to grow, if they fail then they will have only themselves to blame. But the one thing you have to admire about SF is that they are tenacious, they strive and thrive on achieving their goals. If they bring that tenacity to a government then there might be hope for this country yet. I am willing to give them my support and that chance.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Good piece actually. Tnx for putting it up. Asks the, questions, I would ask myself, is it time for a change and if it is are SF really that change?
[Deleted User] wrote: » https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/05/irelands-right-wing-congeals Apolgies,if this is wrong place,and i know this is from.the tribute,so mildly prejudiced But this is a good outside,reading of where irish politics stands at present
Redgirl82 wrote: » So it’s my fault you don’t understand what a vulture fund is? How exactly are we supposed to have a genuine conversation? Last time I tried to discuss a subject the poster had no idea about I was warned for being condescending.
Redgirl82 wrote: » I didn’t ask about Arlene Foster. I asked if Sinn Fein got paid?
Redgirl82 wrote: » So when they closed down government for 3 years did they still get paid?
yourself wrote: How can they represent the people when they won't attend the government?
efanton wrote: » You asked There is no government in northern Ireland. What is exactly your point? MLA's from all 5 parties in northern Ireland that are in the assembly got paid? So why not ask why did the DUP LA's get paid? The northern Ireland assembly got shut down because Arlene Foster refused to allow a fair and impartial enquiry. Every party in the Northern Ireland executive supported the position that Arlene Foster should step aside to allow that enquiry to take place. An enquiry that eventually was carried out by the British government who found that Arlene Foster was responsible for the Cash for Ash debacle. So whats you point? That SF were at fault when plainly they were not, even the British government eventually agreed with the SF view point. All the parties in Northern ireland were in favour of an impartial enquiry except the DUP. The UUP, SDLP, Alliance Party and SF all agreed that Arlene Foster should step aside with regards the enquiry but Arlene Foster and the DUP refused and basically held the whole assembly to ransom until the British government stepped in. So the issue was not that SF stopped the assembly it was solely the intransigence of the DUP. Likewise with the Irish Language act, an act supported by all other parties parties, the British government, the Irish government, but guess who refused to let it go ahead, yes the DUP yet again, So if you want to point fingers please point them in the right direction. Unless of course you also disagree with the current government as well
So when they closed down government for 3 years did they still get paid?
Redgirl82 wrote: » I didn’t ask anything about the DUP. No idea why your talking about DUP Bit odd to complain about politicians in Ireland getting a pay raise while doing their job and Sinn Fein got paid for doing nothing for 3 years.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You think that they'd pay the DUP and nobody else? Them days are gone. Of course SF got paid as well.
efanton wrote: » Government was not shutdown. AS far as I am aware the houses of parliament in Westminster were fully operational, although Boris did his best to shut it down to prevent his brexit strategy being interfered with. The UK Government resides in Westminster. Northern Ireland does not have a government. The Northern Ireland assembly however did cease to work. But do you think it reasonable that Arlene Foster should have been in control of an enquiry dealing with her own handling of the 'cash for ash' debacle, an enquiry that later found her to be responsible for that whole sorry mess. In the end the UK government had to step in and they found that Arlene Foster and the DUP were wrong.
efanton wrote: » I have read the thread, but you seem to have a definition that is different to everyone else. So just so that I understand what you are saying when yo post I would like you to give me your definition of 'vulture fund'
Redgirl82 wrote: » Read the thread
Arlene Foster said that her colleagues would be working over the summer to find a resolution to the issues preventing a deal. When asked if MLAs pay should be halted, she said: "That would be a relevant question if we weren't doing any work. "I have indicated very clearly that we intend to continue the negotiations, the coming together, the talks over the summer months."
efanton wrote: » Go on enlighten us. What is your definition of a 'vulture fund' being that your definitions tend to be totally different to everyone else?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » No point, she dosn't have a clue about how it works up North.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Far as I know, they do all the representative duties a public rep does for constituents, but they will not take part in running jurisdictions other than their own which they would be required to do if they sit in parliament.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Tbh any irish politian,that stands in the dail to defend the person that caused famine here,is completly toxic to me anyway They'd do same again,if given the chance,we are their equals,noone should be defending them
Redgirl82 wrote: » How can they represent the people when they won't attend the government? So if they don't want to go to Westminster why do they deserve a paycheque? The 3 years the government was stopped because of the childish arguments, did Sinn Fein politician stopped getting paid?
Bowie wrote: » Fair enough. A number of times I've tried to discuss my views on how FG use vulture funds in relation to the housing crisis based on your initial attempt at seemingly genuinely discussing your views on rent arrears etc. I'll leave you to your childish game play.
Redgirl82 wrote: » So you don’t understand what a vulture fund, then don’t talk about it
dundalkfc10 wrote: » So you want them to not get paid for represtenting the people who voted for them? You must be outraged at the pay rise our TDs got recently even though the country is on its knees financially? A pay rise which Sinn Fein refused.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » You must be outraged at the pay rise our TDs got recently even though the country is on its knees financially?
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