Icsics wrote: » Asti president on news advising members not to cooperate with guidelines, indemnity not up to scratch
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » I have some experience of the Athena tracker and I’m very dubious of its usefulness. Far be it from tracking students - I see it being used as a way to track the “value added” a teacher brings. Schools are going to have different local arrangements for JC grades. Thankfully we are not using predicted grades as this would set a precedent. We are using a combination of past results, engagement since March 12th and a final exam in May, albeit an online one of little value as it will be very easy to cheat.
Accordingly, the calculated grades model developed by the Department cannot ensure fairness if statistical or algorithmic models – such as those offered by commercial companies – are used in the course of generating data at school level and their use must be avoided.
Icsics wrote: » Tui happy with indemnity
jayo76 wrote: » End of news there gives the recap heading as just ASTI advises members not to engage in calculated grades process, no mention in the recap that the advice is because legal advice to ASTI is that indemnity needs more work. Lack of balance would drive you mad.
km79 wrote: » Well there is nothing on their website!
jayo76 wrote: » I wouldnt be the ASTI's Presidents biggest fan but I did think that she put it very clearly tonight on news that they just want total clarity on the indemnity before they can ask members to engage?
Treppen wrote: » Looks like subject studied outside school can be accepted from either a registered or unregistered teacher as long as the principal concurs on the grade. Pg. 29
km79 wrote: » Not all members watch the news. Schools will have meetings in the morning. They need to communicate with members asap
TheValeyard wrote: » What an absolute joke
Treppen wrote: » RE: Subject outside school. Ya it's a tough call though as long as the teachers are legit and engage properly with principals. There are a good few who are repeating for an extra subject etc. so to put them through a 3rd year would be harsh.
TheValeyard wrote: » Good point. But I'd be very dubious. Many family member and family friends teach extra subjects to students outside of school. It's open to abuse. Be interesting to see how it works out.
km79 wrote: » Has anyone seen a date of any description on those 40 pages ?
annamarie2013 wrote: » "Further guidance on the submission of data to the department will follow shortly" - See Page 31
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » It is NO different to the first art of guidlines from my reading of it Step 1 - give every student in your class a mark based on past data but not limited to past data and professional judgement on how the Student would have done in June. Step 2 - rank the students in your class from 1-24 or whatever Step 3 - sit down with the other teachers of the other LC classes in your subject and rank them from 1-72 or whatever Step 4 - Principal signs off
Bobtheman wrote: » Nothing I see in my quick perusal deals with my issue. Teacher A keeps brilliant records.Teacher B doesn't. Thus there will be variance and guess work. Give your students huge benefit of the doubt because we ain't trained for this. Time traveling devices are needed. So call it what you like - inflate or benefit but do it.
Nalani Hissing Appetizer wrote: » You make a valid point, no doubt. I’m a great man for correcting and giving written feedback , but utterly hopeless at keeping ‘records’ of this. The word that keeps being repeated in the new guidelines is EVIDENCE. The only ‘evidence’ I have are the 3 House exams and the pre - exams on the school’s VSware system. I don’t see much wriggle room in how I can deviate from the recorded evidence . ie. the results. My mocks were marked far too generously and erratically by a friend of a friend.This has caused a headache for me now. Dad: What did ya get in the pre ? Daughter : 77% Dad : And he gave ya a bloody H4?? I don’t see anything in these guidelines that allow us a measure of professional judgment. It cleverly ‘suggests’ we do, but on closer inspection, we don’t. It’s about the tangible evidence. To address your inflation argument, I will refer to an actual example of a student I have. Christmas 18 - 61% Summer. 19 - 58% Christmas. 19 - 56% Pre Exam. - 64% I can’t ( as much as I’d like to ) give this girl a H3. There is no evidence’ to suggest she is capable of it, or deserves it. It’s a bit of a mess.
