pixelburp wrote: » Who said American elections are rational? Trump will be judged on his response to the pandemic. Or the status of the economy at the time of election. If you protest rationalism when you know full well the electorate are demanding and jumpy - demographics won't care that the economy was a soaring eagle a year go, they want to know why the economy is in the toilet now. And it absolutely is, relative to other Developed Countries. 15% unemployment can't be waved away.No politician ever got elected on pleading things "used to be better". That's just how it is, for him and every other world leader at the moment. While some have seen their support increase, others have seen it drop - Trump being one of the latter. So why is that? His polling hasn't gone anywhere near a net positive.
moon2 wrote: » Your argument is that government policies to handle covid have no impact on unemployment? Luckily we have objective measures to this. The current US unemployment rate is 14.7%. The irish unemployment rate is 4.9% and UK is 5.4% We all faced covid in the same way so we can rule that out as the cause of the discrepancy. Edit: not sure what your previous post is trying to say.
Blueshoe wrote: » Makes zero sense. Being blamed for high unemployment yet ignoring the reason for the unemployment and also ignoring the rate before a global pandemic. Holds no water with anyone in possession of a rational brain
moon2 wrote: » Are you saying that employment numbers have no bearing on the government's performance and so cannot be used as part of an election campaign? If so, why are historical employment figures ok to use? It seems odd that you're implying Trump can take credit for December's employment figures but is in no way responsible for April's figures.
pixelburp wrote: » "It would have been good if it weren't for CoVid" is a wheedling excuse that would only drive the conversation quicker towards Trump's record during the crisis. Which hasn't been good, to say the least. A year is a long time in politics and Trump can't glory in an economy he inherited. The record unemployed won't care what used to be.
Blueshoe wrote: » Pre Covid ,people I know were alive and now they're not. And I'm a (enter any country on the planet) citizen. The post was relating to Joe Biden potentially using unemployment against Trump. That is not a possibility as precovid unemployment was at its lowest in 60 years.
Cody montana wrote: » What will he run on? Economy in tatters. Millions unemployed Deficit exploding Little of the wall built Hillary free
Igotadose wrote: » Pre Covid, people I know were alive and now they're not. And I'm a US citizen.
Blueshoe wrote: » Pre covid the Us unemployment rate was the lowest in 60 years.
wassie wrote: » Wont count for anything come November I would of thought.
wassie wrote: » Biden just needs to use the message Ronald Reagan used against Jimmy Carter in their final debate.Are you better off than you were four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment…than there was four years ago?
Quin_Dub wrote: » I saw an article yesterday that kinda summed up Trump for me really. They made the point that a Presidential Election should be about "Vote for me because this is what I've done and/or this is what I will do if I get Elected"....
Quin_Dub wrote: » That's a key point - Post Election , the early count of in-person votes in Michigan or Nevada shows Trump with a small lead and Fox News calls it for Trump , then the postal votes come in a day or two later and swings it back to Biden for the final result. Chaos ensues as Hannity et al accuse the Democrats of Stealing the election etc. and Trump goes mental on Twitter. This is exactly the scenario that Trump is building the back story for right now.. "Mail in voting is dodgy , not to be trusted" , "they are trying to steal the election". We know that mail-in voting areas are typically slower to declare the result and Trump will use this to sow discord and distrust in the result.
pixelburp wrote: » I imagine it'd only be easier to stall the (postal vote) counts, or call them into question entirely, necessitating legal action: maybe the more likely scenario we've been missing. A repeat of the 2000 election, rather than some militant action by extremists; another variation of the dirty tricks (such as the "Brooks Brothers Riot") played by the GOP to effectively steer the recount. Roger Stone is out of the picture, but whoever picks up the mantle may have disruption tactics planned for this more Postal Vote heavy election. Arguably, we're seeing the narrative going in that direction already, albeit via the Foghorn of Trump's inability to play it cool. Let the election go ahead, and at centres with close numbers - oh, we must recount to ensure democracy is actioned (or indeed, we must stop this recount. To arms brothers, we must protect democracy!)
Leroy42 wrote: » We all knew that Trump would revert to calling the election rigged
Penn wrote: » I recently had to access an old email address I use for spam-type things. Forgot I'd signed it up to Trump's election campaign newsletter during the first election. The things they're putting out on those are insane. They're thirsty as hell for how many they're putting out, most of which asking for money or selling tat. It actually seemed to have been quiet a few weeks ago and now they're sending out several a day. Most of them are written even worse than his tweets, don't know if that's because someone is trying to emulate him and failing, or emulate the real him and succeeding. An example from yesterday:
Deleted User wrote: » Leaving politics out of this, I'm trying to think of this logistically. What's to stop someone intercepting your post and voting in your place?
Quin_Dub wrote: » I saw an article yesterday that kinda summed up Trump for me really. They made the point that a Presidential Election should be about "Vote for me because this is what I've done and/or this is what I will do if I get Elected" If you go to the Joe Biden campaign website , that's mostly whats there - "Here are the polices will enact , here are the things we'll do and here is why I'll be good at doing them" - You can read them and either agree or disagree. Go to the Trump campaign website and once you manage to wade your way through all of the Trump/MAGA branded tat for sale you won't find a single thing about Policy - It's basically a list of people/groups that Trump hates and how only his election will destroy them. It's Obama this or Radical Extreme Libs that. Trump has nothing but hate and fear as his campaign message.
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Quin_Dub wrote: » No , no it's not - there is zero evidence that there is any significant risk with Postal voting. There are multiple states that vote almost exclusively via mail and they have never had any issues. Its also not in the least bit surprising that the ONLY states that Trump is complaining about are ones that are in play in November - The multiple Solid GOP states that offer unlimited voting by mail?? Not a word from Trump about them. This is purely about voter suppression - Generally speaking when more people vote , the GOP do worse , so they do everything they can to make it harder for people to vote.
Leroy42 wrote: » We all knew that Trump would revert to calling the election rigged, the only surprise is just how early he has resorted to it but given the disaster enveloping the country and his administration due to Covid he had to fire back with something. We have seen this tactic before, it was completely groundless then, and completely groundless now. If Trump is so very worried about it, as he claims to be, then given he had these worries before he even got elected wouldn't it have been not only sensible, but democratic, to carry out massive independent studies to ascertain the real problem, look at ways to solve it whilst not disenfranchising voters and ensuring the robustness of what is, after all, supposedly the greatest democracy in the world? But he hasn't because that involves some level of care and actually thinking their is a problem. This tactic has two, rather than the last time 1, main aims. Get the 100% coverage off Covid 19 and get questions back to something else. That is the immediate goal and is working. 2) to set up some form of blame away from himself should he not win in November.
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