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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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This thread is a continuation of the megathreads for discussing the presidency of Donald Trump and any matters which relate to this.

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Leroy42

We all knew that Trump would revert to calling the election rigged, the only surprise is just how early he has resorted to it but given the disaster enveloping the country and his administration due to Covid he had to fire back with something.

We have seen this tactic before, it was completely groundless then, and completely groundless now. If Trump is so very worried about it, as he claims to be, then given he had these worries before he even got elected wouldn't it have been not only sensible, but democratic, to carry out massive independent studies to ascertain the real problem, look at ways to solve it whilst not disenfranchising voters and ensuring the robustness of what is, after all, supposedly the greatest democracy in the world?

But he hasn't because that involves some level of care and actually thinking their is a problem.

This tactic has two, rather than the last time 1, main aims. Get the 100% coverage off Covid 19 and get questions back to something else. That is the immediate goal and is working. 2) to set up some form of blame away from himself should he not win in November.

EltonJohn69

If Biden get elected whoever the Vice President is must know that they have a great chance of getting the top job because no way will Biden last 8 years... he seems so fragile especially when compared to the Obama administration

Retr0gamer

Deleted User wrote: »

Is postal voting not dodgy enough? The states don't require ID to vote either? Does anyone know the details of how they prove if postal votes are not written by anyone?

Technically yes.

In reality due to the voting not being computer controlled it would take a monumental operation to falsify enough ballots to make a difference, so much so it would not be feasible. The system is protected by the how archaic it is and the only real weak point is the central government lying about results.

As said there's also no evidence of postal voting being anymore dodgy. In fact it will give more people the right to vote where voter suppression by the GOP is in operation which is why there is such a backlash from the GOP.

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

Is postal voting not dodgy enough? The states don't require ID to vote either? Does anyone know the details of how they prove if postal votes are not written by anyone?

No , no it's not - there is zero evidence that there is any significant risk with Postal voting.

There are multiple states that vote almost exclusively via mail and they have never had any issues.

Its also not in the least bit surprising that the ONLY states that Trump is complaining about are ones that are in play in November - The multiple Solid GOP states that offer unlimited voting by mail?? Not a word from Trump about them.

This is purely about voter supression - Generally speaking when more people vote , the GOP do worse , so they do everything they can to make it harder for people to vote.

aloyisious

Deleted User wrote: »

Is postal voting not dodgy enough? The states don't require ID to vote either? Does anyone know the details of how they prove if postal votes are not written by anyone?

States do require you to carry an I/D when you're voting. That said, a carry-gun permit will suffice as I/D in some states. Re the safety of the postal vote, the GOP allows its members to "harvest" postal votes [collect them from people and deliver them in bulk to voting centres]. That put's the "you and U.S.P.S" routine in a different light security-wise. In a case of recommendation for post-in voting, Don uses it and that should be the gold standard, if one is to trust anyone

[Deleted User]

Is postal voting not dodgy enough? The states don't require ID to vote either? Does anyone know the details of how they prove if postal votes are not written by anyone?

Quin_Dub

Caegan wrote: »

Open to correction here but didn't Donald and his 3rd lady vote in Florida by mail in?

Yet another look over here, while Barr and McConnell tear further away at the democracy.

He did indeed and it now seems that they may have been a fraudulent vote!!

He has listed Mar a Lago as his residence , but according the local statutes and the terms of the planning permission etc. that were put in place when he bought it , no one is allowed to permanently live there , in fact , the rules stipulate that no-one can live there for longer than a week at a time and for a maximum of 6 weeks a year.

So , he's breaking the local laws/statutes that allowed him to open Mar a Lago as a Club in the 1st place by spending so much time there AND he may have committed voter fraud by voting in a place that he is not legally allowed to be resident in.

Outstanding leadership there.

Roanmore

The United States Postal Service is in trouble, may run out of money in August.

What's the betting that if Trump can't stop Postal voting he'll just not fund the PS and let it collapse?

aloyisious

marno21 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1263282623939477511

You’d wonder what the tweets will be in September/October if Biden keeps up the poll leads he currently has and the Democrats pull further ahead in Senate races.

It’s 21th May and he’s full on unhinged already

I never thought about tweets as being a disinformation tool but with its ready access to cell/mobile/smart phones and larger devices, it puts his tweets into another frame.

marno21

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1263282623939477511

You’d wonder what the tweets will be in September/October if Biden keeps up the poll leads he currently has and the Democrats pull further ahead in Senate races.

It’s 21th May and he’s full on unhinged already

Tell me how

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I looked behind the curtain again and it seems to get worse everyday. Some of the tweets are bordering on insane.

I'm assuming Biden is polling incredibly well in Michigan?

Somebody somewhere will probably do a Phd on the metrics around tweets and what the data tells us which isn't immediately obvious.

I often do a quick ratio of responses to likes and you can gauge just how the tweet is perceived in this manner. For example, Laura Keunnsbergs tweets over the last 6 months have seen her regularly hit a ratio of 1:1 in responses for every like which is reflected in widespread condemnation of her reporting within many of the messages.
With Trump, if the ratio is anything less than 10:1 then it is usually a sign that the content of the tweet is provocative.

But anyway, that rambling tale aside, one thing I noticed just now was a tweet congratulating his daughter on graduating law school. That received over 300K likes within just a few hours while all the other tweets sent at the same time received between about 30K and 70k likes. This seems to indicate to me that even amongst his followers, a lot of them are not impressed by the content of many of his tweets and only occasionally does he get over 500K per tweet.

aloyisious

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yep, and Texas has post by mail too apparently. But thats a red state so its ok.........

EDIT: The tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263170880298942464

Re Texas, the courts [state & federal] down there are batting the issue of post in votes to & fro. The Federal appeal court gave the go ahead for citizens to access post-in voting because of the risk of Covid-19 while queueing to vote. Texas A.G Ken Paxton went to the state supreme court and it overturned the appeal court ruling as there was nothing in Texan law about the risk of being affected by virus [covid-19 or other] while queueing to vote which could permit the issue of post-in votes, arguing that a future risk from a virus was not the same as an existing disability or service out of state requiring the issue of a post-in vote. It seems that that Texas Supreme Court decision was overturned on Tuesday by another federal appeal court decision that fear of virus is a valid reason to vote by mail in Texas.

These are links on the ongoing legal moves in Texas on post-in votes. Two are WaPo articles firewalled but the titles are good enough to google for another source on the issue, the other two links are other sources.

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/14/ken-paxton-files-petition-texas-supreme-court-mail-voting/5187079002/

https://www.keranews.org/post/texas-supreme-court-puts-expansion-voting-mail-hold

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/20/will-texas-supreme-court-let-republican-state-leaders-deny-our-right-vote/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/20/vote-by-mail-ruling-texas/ - [fear of virus is valid reason to vote by post - federal court Tuesday]

The next Texan elections which would be affected by the outcome are in July, two months away.

BonnieSituation

I looked behind the curtain again and it seems to get worse everyday. Some of the tweets are bordering on insane.

I'm assuming Biden is polling incredibly well in Michigan?

Guy:Incognito

Caegan wrote: »

Open to correction here but didn't Donald and his 3rd lady vote in Florida by mail in?

Yet another look over here, while Barr and McConnell tear further away at the democracy.

Yep, and Texas has post by mail too apparently. But thats a red state so its ok.........

He tweeted that Michigan are breaking the law and hed look to have funding withdrawn.

How can anyone that supports him look at him and think the way he goes on is ok?

I keep saying it but the simple test is pretend Obama did or said something and if you disagree with it then you should still disagree if Trump does/says it.

EDIT: The tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1263170880298942464

Itssoeasy

Caegan wrote: »

Open to correction here but didn't Donald and his 3rd lady vote in Florida by mail in?

Yet another look over here, while Barr and McConnell tear further away at the democracy.

They did but that's different because of reasons...

I see the transport secretary who just happens to be the wife of senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has questions to answer after trying to help her husband reelection using her office and because the transport department IG was removed because she was looking at this issue.

So that's at least two cabinet secretaries who this week have questions to answer over how they are conducting themselves in office.

Caegan

Open to correction here but didn't Donald and his 3rd lady vote in Florida by mail in?

Yet another look over here, while Barr and McConnell tear further away at the democracy.

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

Don made an angry speech today about post-in voting in Michigan, seems he claiming some states have been sending out fake votes to voters and threatening to withhold federal funding from states which give their citizens mail-in votes. He has it in for Gretchen for pursuing her own course.
He discussed something like this in a tele-conference with what were described as rural GOP Governors back in March.
It looks like Dr Redfield may suffer the "thrown under the bus" routine from Don. If so, who'll take up the slack at CDC. Dr Birx has her hands full with her White House job overseeing the nations fight against Covid-19.

Except Michigan didn't send out mail in ballots, they sent out application forms to request mail in ballots but why should Donald trump care about accuracy.

aloyisious

Don made an angry speech today about post-in voting in Michigan, seems he claiming some states have been sending out fake votes to voters and threatening to withhold federal funding from states which give their citizens mail-in votes. He has it in for Gretchen for pursuing her own course.
He discussed something like this in a tele-conference with what were described as rural GOP Governors back in March.
It looks like Dr Redfield may suffer the "thrown under the bus" routine from Don. If so, who'll take up the slack at CDC. Dr Birx has her hands full with her White House job overseeing the nations fight against Covid-19.

Foxtrol

aloyisious wrote: »

Will it end with him [out of rancour] threatening to veto the US$ 3 Trillion re-opening business money bill she's pushing through the house and hoping to get the senate to support? It's almost a cert that he'll veto anything with her name on it even when the benefit will be lost to business and hurt the economy even if the GOP Senate do pass it for the benefit of business.

That bill looks completely dead at this point, the GOP dont want to even talk about it so it wont make it to his desk.

Trump and GOP have decided that they want to try to move on from COVID and believe that reopening will solve all of the issues and everything will go straight back to normal. It is complete heads in the sand stuff, just like how they acted in the early months of the outbreak.

Carfacemandog

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Obviously that will be bad for the US economy , but it will be worse for Trump and the GOP.

"Why did you hold up the funding Mr President?" , "Well, Nancy Pelosi is crazy and she's mean to me and shows me no respect"

How will an unemployed Rust-belter view that?

The same way many of them are treating refusal to assist them now, unless their governors say nice things about him.

It's a mixed bag, and seems to be doing him more harm than good, but this is the level of cultism we're at right now.

Quin_Dub

aloyisious wrote: »

Will it end with him [out of rancour] threatening to veto the US$ 3 Trillion re-opening business money bill she's pushing through the house and hoping to get the senate to support? It's almost a cert that he'll veto anything with her name on it even when the benefit will be lost to business and hurt the economy even if the GOP Senate do pass it for the benefit of business.

Obviously that will be bad for the US economy , but it will be worse for Trump and the GOP.

"Why did you hold up the funding Mr President?" , "Well, Nancy Pelosi is crazy and she's mean to me and shows me no respect"

How will an unemployed Rust-belter view that?

aloyisious

Will it end with him [out of rancour] threatening to veto the US$ 3 Trillion re-opening business money bill she's pushing through the house and hoping to get the senate to support? It's almost a cert that he'll veto anything with her name on it even when the benefit will be lost to business and hurt the economy even if the GOP Senate do pass it for the benefit of business.

PropJoe10

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I disagree what she did was as simple as that.

I see people are enjoying Nancy's follow up remarks too.

She's on fire lately. Knows exactly how to trigger him. He'll be absolutely fuming

pixelburp

Perhaps the reading on this is that Pelosi is playing the role taken by Joe Biden in 2008/2012: IE, she's the stalking horse and the one to play the Bad Cop, mouthing off and speaking plainly. Not like Biden can play that role anymore if he's serious about (restoring civility to) the Presidency, and given his chatter about picking a woman as VP it sounds like that role is already well defined in a certain fashion.

Nancy Pelosi is already arguably the most hated Democrat in politics with Republicans, second only perhaps to Ocasio-Cortez (for different reasons). I would stop short of "admiring" Pelosi playing in the gutter, but it's not a particularly new tactic either - maybe only new in its rhetoric.

Quin_Dub

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I disagree what she did was as simple as that.

I see people are enjoying Nancy's follow up remarks too.

I didn’t know that he would be so sensitive, he’s always talking about other people’s weight. I think he should recognize his words weigh a ton.

That's how a grown up takes a swipe at someone in a professional environment..

Pointed , but indirect.

Not Trumps primary school taunting , which seems to exclusively involve calling people either "Crazy" , "Low-IQ" or "Nasty".

Professor Moriarty

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I disagree what she did was as simple as that.

I see people are enjoying Nancy's follow up remarks too.

Fair play to her. Go Nancy!

hetuzozaho

TomOnBoard wrote: »

If everyone who is morbidly obese (a large proportion of the US population, particularly poorer people) hears that taking hydroxychloroquine has potential fatal side effects, then once again, Nancy has done a great service which goes in some way to counter Don's snake-oil claims.

Taking a potentially fatal drug on the basis of people telling him anecdotes over the phone by a President is appalling, and crowing about it is worse. Someone needed to call him out on his lunacy.

Nancy did! Simple as that!

I disagree what she did was as simple as that.

I see people are enjoying Nancy's follow up remarks too.

I didn’t know that he would be so sensitive, he’s always talking about other people’s weight. I think he should recognize his words weigh a ton.

TomOnBoard

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah but not only Trump hears it. Everyone struggling who hasn't dished it out hears it unfortunately.

If everyone who is morbidly obese (a large proportion of the US population, particularly poorer people) hears that taking hydroxychloroquine has potential fatal side effects, then once again, Nancy has done a great service which goes in some way to counter Don's snake-oil claims.

Taking a potentially fatal drug on the basis of people telling him anecdotes over the phone by a President is appalling, and crowing about it is worse. Someone needed to call him out on his lunacy.

Nancy did! Simple as that!

Foxtrol

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Exactly - I think you'll see more and more of the Liberty Project or similar proxies picking up on the attack ads , Targeting Trump and the GOP senators up for election in November.

Getting control of the Senate is arguably more important to be honest.

If Biden wins , but the GOP still has the Senate it will largely be a waste of time.

If they take the Senate , regardless of who is in the WH they can set the pace of things.

I'm guessing you mean the Lincoln Project and they really do know exactly the buttons to push to annoy Trump and also turn some moderate republican voters. The one that Trump already lost it about was showing how he hurt rather than helped the people he claimed he would and their recent far less publicised ad showed how Trumps attention seeking and blame cycle wont stop unless he is voted out, which will resonate with many people that might support some of the things he has done but are just sick of hearing about him.

I strongly expect that as the election goes on the Lincoln Project will constantly highlight his weakness; as a person, a businessman, and politician. Trump's whole life has been built around projecting strength that simply isn't true. If you ever take a trip into the strange world of his supporters, it is full of people that strangely build him up to be some kind of demi god. Poking holes in that will drive Trump insane and though I don't think they will necessarily win too many new voters, it could drive down his base turnout, which the Trump team is clearly already panicking about based on their recent ad buys. His base not turning out is great news for Democrats across the board.

On the Pelosi comments, she was poking that same weakness in the image that Trump wants to portray and reality. Trump was clearly told not to respond to her but I just don't see it lasting, he'll stew on it for a while and then it'll explode at some point in the near future.

rossie1977

If Trump wins second term you are potentially looking at a supreme Court with a 7-2 advantage for conservatives (many likely to be ultra conservative) by 2024 and for next decade or more after that. That in itself means it's of utmost importance that Biden wins to stop what could be a disastrous situation for the country occurring.

The US is becoming more progressive not more conservative yet you are looking at a situation where in 2025-2040 the laws laid down will be draconian in nature.