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snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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namloc1980

Emmet Place, Daunt Square, Castle Street, Fr Mathew St/Fitton St, Liberty St/Cross St. No timelines on implementation and strictly temporary measures as it stands. Fitton St is a weird one for pedestrianisation. Nothing happens down there.

namloc1980

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Good. Chuck down a temporary set of bollards and then get the more involved works done at a later date.

As long as it doesn't delay Dunkettle. Its coping at the moment, but on the next Phase we'll go back to jams. Just barely coping today.

Dunkettle still years away. Main construction contract not yet in place.

Thoie

What exactly is a "park and walk" facility? Isn't that just a car park, or am I missing something fundamental?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/more-pedestrian-friendly-plans-for-cork-city-centre-1000355.html

Captainsatnav

Thoie wrote: »

What exactly is a "park and walk" facility? Isn't that just a car park, or am I missing something fundamental?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/more-pedestrian-friendly-plans-for-cork-city-centre-1000355.html

Exactly what I thought. What a shower like. What hope does CMATS have if this is the extent of ambition from her and the rest.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Exactly what I thought. What a shower like. What hope does CMATS have if this is the extent of ambition from her and the rest.

It's gas! Not a mention of any sort of safe cycling infrastructure improvements to get people from A to B without a vehicle but this is proposed! Comically bad.

namloc1980

No safe cycling or pop up cycle lanes in the proposals is an absolutely glaring omission. So it's still going to be as dangerous as ever to cycle around the city. Chronic altogether.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

namloc1980 wrote: »

No safe cycling or pop up cycle lanes in the proposals is an absolutely glaring omission. So it's still going to be as dangerous as ever to cycle around the city. Chronic altogether.

There's a great thread here investigating Cork's topography. https://twitter.com/J_M_Fitton/status/1262437354297573377?s=19

Basically calling out Terry's idiotic comments about how Cork is too hilly for bike lanes!

namloc1980

The most amazing part of the proposals though has to be "park & walk". I mean seriously. Other cities get active travel and pop up cycle lanes, we get more car parking.

opus

The one that always annoys me anytime I cycle there is the Blackpool bypass. It was built with zero provision for cycle lanes plus nice high curbsides that the traffic can almost force you into. There's really no excuse when it's a brand new road.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

namloc1980 wrote: »

The most amazing part of the proposals though has to be "park & walk". I mean seriously. Other cities get active travel and pop up cycle leaves, we get more car parking.

The last thing we need is more cars. Park and walk is a ridiculous idea. We should be encouraging walking and cycling, not driving somewhere to walk. There's plenty of parking spots throughout anyhow - and sure if there isn't, people can park illegally with impunity, like they've always done.

namloc1980

Thoie wrote: »

What exactly is a "park and walk" facility? Isn't that just a car park, or am I missing something fundamental?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/more-pedestrian-friendly-plans-for-cork-city-centre-1000355.html

You're missing nothing. Just another example of city council car centric thinking. Zero provision for safe cycling in the proposals but new car parks are no problem. It's infuriating.

[Deleted User]

opus wrote: »

The one that always annoys me anytime I cycle there is the Blackpool bypass. It was built with zero provision for cycle lanes plus nice high curbsides that the traffic can almost force you into. There's really no excuse when it's a brand new road.

That road is 20 years old, at this stage, no?

namloc1980

See this on the council website about their response to the current situation:

While we are informed by other Irish and international cities, Cork is unique in the way that its homes, workplaces, retail and hospitality are configured and so we need a unique response.

They are convinced that Cork is a special case and it provides a bizarre excuse to do the bare minimum.

https://www.corkcity.ie/en/council-services/news-room/latest-news/increased-pedestrianisation-and--cycling-facilities-proposed.html

User142

During the COVID lockdown, my bike had nearly replaced the car. From never really cycling. I was kind of excited a few weeks back with the lack of traffic and wondered how Cork would take advantage of this opportunity. Then we just didn't do anything, worse our local government attacked people who asked about it and now traffic is back.

Seeing the city council prioritize more "park and walk" faculties is a slap in the face. I'm back to driving during the week from today. I didnt feel safe yesterday in the city at all anymore due to the increased traffic It was nice to be able to get by without a car for while it lasted but its just not worth the danger. And the sounds coming from the council have made me feel like its increased bike use is something they are trying to avoid here.

One thing I've learned is that we might vote for these guys but they only ever seem to talk about "traders" needs and demands.

namloc1980

The active attempts to limit bike usage by city hall is something else. I suppose getting more people into cars is good for car parking revenue, to the detriment of the long term growth of the city.

I'd also love to know who came up with "park & walk" and who then signed off on it. Did anyone in there say, "ah come on lads, park and f***ing walk?".

opus

Deleted User wrote: »

That road is 20 years old, at this stage, no?

Yup what I was trying to say (badly!) is that it was built from scratch so didn't have any of the limitations of the old city streets when it came to including provision for something other than just cars. Even the pavements are on the narrow side.

blindsider

Carrigtwohill Outlet Village

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-to-hold-special-meeting-to-outline-case-for-east-cork-outlet-village-1000425.html

A special meeting of Cork County Council will be held on Friday to discuss how it will put a case to government supporting the development of a €100m Kildare Village-type shopping centre in East Cork.

The council will need to respond to a report by the Office of the Planning Regulator, an independent watchdog, which was not in favour of the proposal by a British-based company to build the Tourist Outlet Village (TOV), close to the IDA industrial estate at Killacloyne, Carrigtwohill.

Rioja Estates said the project would create more than 850 permanent jobs and a further 640 during construction.

The company also maintained the development wouldn't adversely impact other retail outlets in the area.

The Office of the Planning Regulator sent a report to junior minister of state for housing and urban development, Damien English. He will have the ultimate say on whether the project goes ahead.

Friday's special meeting in County Hall will be unique as the local authority will stage it in the ground floor foyer area, instead of in the council chamber.

That's because it will be able to socially distance the 55 councillors plus officials who will need to attend and the floor two debating chamber is too small for that.

A large number of county councilors have previously made their views known that they support the Rioja Estates plan.

Cllr Anthony Barry, who lives in Carrigtwohill, said that he expected council planners to provide a report on how they support the Rioja Estates project and then seek the views of elected members which will be added to the report before it is submitted to Mr English.

“I think the overwhelming view on Friday amongst councillors will be that the Office of the Planning Regulator is wrong in its assessment. I think there is a demand for this type of centre in Co. Cork and we now need to make our argument for it to Damian English,” Mr Barry said.

He said that tens of thousands of people from the region travel to Kildare Village annually and if the TOV was opened in Carrigtwohill, it would keep that money in Cork.

In a submission to the council, Rioja Estates said it believes the TOV will draw 220,000 additional tourists to the region annually.

TOVs sell premium brands as well as heavily discounted products not normally found on the high street — for example end-of-line, seconds and out-of-season goods.

Chris_5339762

blindsider wrote: »

Carrigtwohill Outlet Village

The company also maintained the development wouldn't adversely impact other retail outlets in the area.

Bunch of nonsense.

If they go ahead with this, I sure hope they put some money into a massive upgrade of the Cobh junction, unless we want another Mahon Point on our hands.

opus

New housing estate shaping up just in from the Ballincollig roundabout on Model Farm road.

[Deleted User]

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Bunch of nonsense.

If they go ahead with this, I sure hope they put some money into a massive upgrade of the Cobh junction, unless we want another Mahon Point on our hands.

Not a hope, Kildare Village does not drive that much traffic.

Mahon is crippled by being near the tunnel and Dunkettle, having VoxPro/CSO/Abtran/FireEye as well as a massive shopping complex

The shopping centre traffic would be a nothing to that junction normally

hans aus dtschl

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Bunch of nonsense.

If they go ahead with this, I sure hope they put some money into a massive upgrade of the Cobh junction, unless we want another Mahon Point on our hands.

Cobh Junction is already a disaster at shift change times. NTA will need it to be upgraded before long if this goes ahead. There's already queuing on the slip-roads.

hans aus dtschl

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a hope, Kildare Village does not drive that much traffic.

Mahon is crippled by being near the tunnel and Dunkettle, having VoxPro/CSO/Abtran/FireEye as well as a massive shopping complex

The shopping centre traffic would be a nothing to that junction normally

The industrial estates East and West of the junction and the factories at Tullagreine cause traffic queues currently unfortunately. I travel through here on bike pretty often and end up passing lots of cars. I presume they're queuing for quite a while. If that queue reaches the N25 (it will) NTA will not be best pleased.

I wouldn't want this if I was a Carrigtohill resident. I'm surprised Cllr Barry is championing it.

snotboogie

According to Treb Cork on twitter work was back underway on all major Cork City sites today with the exception of the Crows Nest

marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

According to Treb Cork on twitter work was back underway on all major Cork City sites today with the exception of the Crows Nest

Indeed. Crows Nest site was closed when I passed at 1pm today.

Fantastic to see the rest back especially the Prism which was in its infancy compared to the rest.

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hans aus dtschl wrote: »

The industrial estates East and West of the junction and the factories at Tullagreine cause traffic queues currently unfortunately. I travel through here on bike pretty often and end up passing lots of cars. I presume they're queuing for quite a while. If that queue reaches the N25 (it will) NTA will not be best pleased.

I wouldn't want this if I was a Carrigtohill resident. I'm surprised Cllr Barry is championing it.

Yes but Kildare village adds very little, to it's junction. This will be barely a blip on current levels

namloc1980

For those of us who live just outside the city and are in the County Council remit, the next county development plan is currently in pre-draft public consultation. Don't forget to have your say: https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/cork-county-development-plan-2022-2028

Closing date is 2nd July.

timmyjimmy

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

The industrial estates East and West of the junction and the factories at Tullagreine cause traffic queues currently unfortunately. I travel through here on bike pretty often and end up passing lots of cars. I presume they're queuing for quite a while. If that queue reaches the N25 (it will) NTA will not be best pleased.

I wouldn't want this if I was a Carrigtohill resident. I'm surprised Cllr Barry is championing it.

I work in the industrial estate and usually get to work around 8 - 8:30, most of the time its not too bad unless there's a crash on the other side, it affects people going onto the roundabout due to tailbacks. Leaving the industrial estate between 5 and 7 can be busy especially at 7 due to shift change. One thing is Stryker is building on with up to 500 jobs going so this would add to the traffic. A train station would be so useful but one could wish. Also, bus Eireann dumps people at the entrance of the IDA. I don't see why they can't go into the industrial and have a few stops, it happens with the airport bus going through CABP. To be honest, i've been cycling to the IDA when traffic was quite but i'm back to work tomorrow and i'm not sure if i'll revert back to the car again as Cycling along LGR, Tivolli and Dunkettle is just too hostile and dangerous.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

For those of us who live just outside the city and are in the County Council remit, the next county development plan is currently in pre-draft public consultation. Don't forget to have your say: https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/cork-county-development-plan-2022-2028

Closing date is 2nd July.

I always get nostalgic for teenage holidays, whenever I see the banner image on that site.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@51.641833,-10.0441179,3a,75y,209.27h,83.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surp_4QBxXFstt4tvOkTXtQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

namloc1980

timmyjimmy wrote: »

I work in the industrial estate and usually get to work around 8 - 8:30, most of the time its not too bad unless there's a crash on the other side, it affects people going onto the roundabout due to tailbacks. Leaving the industrial estate between 5 and 7 can be busy especially at 7 due to shift change. One thing is Stryker is building on with up to 500 jobs going so this would add to the traffic. A train station would be so useful but one could wish. Also, bus Eireann dumps people at the entrance of the IDA. I don't see why they can't go into the industrial and have a few stops, it happens with the airport bus going through CABP. To be honest, i've been cycling to the IDA when traffic was quite but i'm back to work tomorrow and i'm not sure if i'll revert back to the car again as Cycling along LGR, Tivolli and Dunkettle is just too hostile and dangerous.

The IDA got planning a few months back for enhanced cycle and pedestrian pathways in the estate as well as a bus lane, new bus shelters also. No idea when these might actually be put in place though.

hans aus dtschl

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but Kildare village adds very little, to it's junction. This will be barely a blip on current levels

Ah I understand what you're saying now. I don't know enough about that Kildare Village junction or the traffic to the shopping centre to either agree or disagree! I only know that the N25 junction is currently quite busy.

timmyjimmy wrote: »

I work in the industrial estate and usually get to work around 8 - 8:30, most of the time its not too bad unless there's a crash on the other side, it affects people going onto the roundabout due to tailbacks. Leaving the industrial estate between 5 and 7 can be busy especially at 7 due to shift change. One thing is Stryker is building on with up to 500 jobs going so this would add to the traffic. A train station would be so useful but one could wish. Also, bus Eireann dumps people at the entrance of the IDA. I don't see why they can't go into the industrial and have a few stops, it happens with the airport bus going through CABP. To be honest, i've been cycling to the IDA when traffic was quite but i'm back to work tomorrow and i'm not sure if i'll revert back to the car again as Cycling along LGR, Tivolli and Dunkettle is just too hostile and dangerous.

I agree with pretty much all of your post. It's absolutely spot on. LGR, Tivoli and Dunkettle are extremely hostile to cyclists and pedestrians at present.

You're the very definition of the low-hanging fruit I'm always blabbering on about in the infrastructure forum: you actually want to cycle this route, aren't put off by the distance or terrain, and the current transport infrastructure is what's impeding you. I suspect many on the infrastructure forum think I'm making it up but there's absolutely loads of people in your position. I know several in my circle of friends.