cozar wrote: » do any of the teacher posters think that repeat students will be accommodated in any way.?
Purefrank128 wrote: » Just for clarity, students doing the 2020 exams in, say, November '20 or January '21 are NOT repeat students.
cozar wrote: » I was'nt clear in my post, i was asking about students who did the leaving cert last year and are repeating this year, and if their results from last year would be taken into account when predicting grades.
History Queen wrote: » Official instructions still not issued so we can't answer with any certainty. Have you looked at the FAQ on the education website?
Comer1 wrote: » Genuinely confused as to why people are attacking this poster. What is the relevance of what this poster is or isn't doing online? If fact, if this person is doing nothing (which I do not believe to be the case) it just further backs up the point that some teachers are doing very little to nothing. In my daughters school (she's in 6th year) three out of seven of her teachers were doing practically nothing up to the cutoff. In my own school I know of quite a few teachers who are doing practically nothing and I'm sure there are many more like that that I do not know about. And before you all start asking me what I'm doing, I spend all day drinking cheap Lidl beer watching The Chase and Tipping Point.
Treppen wrote: » It's a trickey one indeed.5th years will be competing with a good few thousand 2020 6th years next year. Will these 6th year repeats be required to attend every day as current 5th years are. A lot would be bored out of their skulls doing the same course again. Would they have to do new material? Would they be allowed special concessions to come and go as they pleased. Wouldn't wash well with the other students or maybe they'd just get used to it. What about organising separate timetables. Like a part-time 7th year!!! don't forget there's plenty of airspace for a good old "my 19 year old 7th year son was given out to by a principal for having long hair" Annual Joe Duffy slot. I'd say the best thing for all concerned is to have the 2020 6th year do their written exams ASAP.
teachinggal123 wrote: » It’s ok to ask a question once. It’s a bit weird and creepy to keep asking the same thing over and over again when I have, very respectfully, asked that you refrain. Would you do this to a young female colleague in real life?
rainbowtrout wrote: » But isn't this what repeats do every year? Only about 2000 students repeat in any given year, I can't see why the numbers would be much greater than that this year.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » But this year you can repeat a handful if you wish. Focusing on a few exams could help some get that elusive course. Might not materialise but circumstances very different this year.
Mardy Bum wrote: » Current 6th years will not be allowed back into school if they plan to sit exams in winter. Social distancing will be happening so there is no way numbers will be increased unnecessarily. These students are not repeating either they are sitting their exam later. A repeat would be sitting exams in June 2021.
Bobtheman wrote: » My advice to you all is that unless there is a iron clad formula put in place that's transparent and thus not open to student / parental complaint then inflate the grades . Because otherwise you will be hauled back and forth over the coals. Any formula that is am ambiguous is open to appeal . Thus give your students what they want. Remember the department of education has clearly shown it doesn't give a flying **** about you. They didn't promote anybody for about ten years and then created mainly bull**** positions. Nothing and I mean nothing has happened to deal with the continuing decline of discipline. So give the kiddies what they want.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » That's all up in the air. Any student going to sit exam cud make case that year finished early and they are entitled to more tuition
rainbowtrout wrote: » I’d prefer to maintain a level of professionalism In this process and give the grade I think student deserves based on the evidence I have rather than inflate them to what they want.
Treppen wrote: » The grade you think they deserve based on past evidence... or the grade you think they would deserve according to their abilities if everything went perfect for them during the exam?
Purefrank128 wrote: » As per William Munny, "deserve's got nothing to do with it". The role of the school is to reflect the mark the candidate is likely to have achieved if they had sat the LC examination in 2020 under normal conditions.
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » Yes, but the problem is that in a huge number of cases there won't be evidence to reflect what they are likely to have achieved. And that's the problem, when people say "based on the evidence". I've had students go from 17 in 5th Year Summer, to 45 in the mock, to a H3. I've had students go from 45 in the mock to a H6. It's hard to base anything purely on evidence.
rainbowtrout wrote: » Evidence isn't just Christmas and Summer tests. If you are seeing them in class every day for two years you know what they are capable of and if they are on a trajectory of improvement from fifth year through to the end of LC. That's a lot different from 'giving them what they want'. If we were to do that we could just let the students choose their own grades and our input wouldn't be necessary. There would be no fails and record numbers of H1s from students giving themselves what they want.
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » I agree. I made no comments on giving what they want. But I think the meaning of evidence needs to be clearly defined. I'm just not sure how this will stand up to scrutiny when student A who got 45 in the mock and 55 in 5th Year is given a H6, makes a complaint because student B who got 45 in the mock and 20 in 5th Year is given a H4. I hope the guidelines will allow for teacher professional judgement. If not then I think half of students won't get what they were most likely to achieve - some better and some worse.
Bobtheman wrote: » What evidence do you have ? Because that evidence depending on where you are - could end up being poured over. I must admit I have only ordinary this year so not as big a deal points wise. You must also accept that surprising increases and decreases occur in the actual LC Exam. It is not a precise science
rainbowtrout wrote: I can't see a student having access to another student's results or know what they achieved in class over two years. They can't bring a case based on 'Johnny got a better grade than me', they can bring a case on whether or not they got a grade that reflects their own abilities. Also students have a fair idea where they rank within a class.
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » Just received a text message from TUI: *Important update* TUI members should not start work on calculated grades until further guidance has issued. Strange since that was already the guidance given last week.
