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Gangland Shootings part 3 - Read OP before posting - updated 27/12/23

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HcksawJimDuggan

KM792 wrote: »

In fairness the whole thing is Hollywood stuff..

The target escaped with his life saved by something as trivial as a phone call

The shooter was literally photographed by journos smoking gun in hand and walked Scott free from court

The detective blew his brains out in a suicide..

If I was a yank reading all that I'd def be thinking Ireland was as corrupt as Mexico...

Did the reason ever come out why the detective commit suicide? Was he corrupt or just made a balls of the case?

Mago MVP

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Apart from Flatcap & Patrick Hutch, who else were the gunmen at the Regency?
Mago maybe? Any of the other Hutches?

It was obviously well planned in parts by the Monk except they didnt plan well enough to make sure they got DK.

It wasn’t well thought out at all really - the only thing that allowed that to happen was the fact there were no police - you’d think they’d be there at least in some form?

Mago MVP

HcksawJimDuggan wrote: »

Did the reason ever come out why the detective commit suicide? Was he corrupt or just made a balls of the case?

No way blowing a case would make him kill himself he’s probably been the leak

Made in China 2040

Mago MVP wrote: »

How the f that Patrick Hutch got off with that is a madness. He’s been papped walking out! I know it’s him so if they used facial mapping etc there’s no way out of it.
Ireland is a crazy place

Do you Patrick personally? If not you can't say it was him for definite

The make-up, contoured the face, facial mapping wasn't that good in 2016 only 2 guards IDed "draglady" as Patrick out of hundreds stationed in ballymun, the Gardai colluded in IDing drag lady as Patrick Hutch and whatever else was got in the emails between fox and others in ballymun.

Mago MVP wrote: »

It wasn’t well thought out at all really - the only thing that allowed that to happen was the fact there were no police - you’d think they’d be there at least in some form?

They were there, only for intelligence gathering though, no-one suspected what was about to happen, even though all the papers had journos there.

blinding

KM792 wrote: »

In fairness the whole thing is Hollywood stuff..

The target escaped with his life saved by something as trivial as a phone call

The shooter was literally photographed by journos smoking gun in hand and walked Scott free from court

The detective blew his brains out in a suicide..

If I was a yank reading all that I'd def be thinking Ireland was as corrupt as Mexico...

It stinks like something out of a Banana Republic if thats not too hard on Banana Republics ! ! !

Haladmirer

Nch and mago
Tac1 and tac2

Mago MVP

Made in China 2040 wrote: »

There was no money paid over.

You'll have to go back to go forward.

St stephen green robbery 2009, moneies invested to cancer who wasn't paying it back

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Bank_of_Ireland_robbery

August 3rd, 2014 jamie Moore shot outside cancers house, cancer was the target.

15 August 2014 a Patrick was shot twice in the legs.
https://www.rte.ie/amp/637504/

November 2015, red cow shooting, Daniel was the target, but papers said it was tango.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/gangland-tensions-mount-as-fat-freddies-cousin-escapes-botched-hit-outside-hotel-34181834.html

December 2015 the monk targeted in Lanzarote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/2111937/jailed-sunset-house-hitman-eamonn-cumberton-tried-to-kill-gerry-the-monk-hutch-at-lanzarote-pub-in-2015/amp/

5 February 2016, the regancy Daniel was the target,

The theory is that David was the one told to shoot the Patrick in 2014, and that's why he was coldly taken out, while Sean McGovern and Aaron Bugler was only injured.

The day after the regancy the supposedly 12 names involved were leaked to Jaws Byrne and the bloodshed started by Daniel and the Byrnes.

How much did Gary invest?

Jeff2

Mago MVP wrote: »

Why did they try and take him out like that?
As the documentary said wouldn’t it have just been easier to do it as he entered?

They wanted to take out more than one

Byrne was one of them that they got.

Jizique

Banana Republic. wrote: »

The fact they got the wrong room first was some balls and very unlucky for The Hutches, I think similar would of happened even if they had killed Daniel but maybe even on a bigger scale but it would of hit the K’s harder long term. From what I’ve read of Daniel was his security pulled him out the minute the hustle and bustle started. The killers weren’t very good who were in the room at the time, the guys disguised as Garda should of been the ones in the room to take him out. They would never get a better chance but I think the whole thing was supposed to be a message to storm a place and get the job done. They could of taken Daniel out when he was outside originally.

Was it not that they thought/assumed he would flee the commotion out the front - into the waiting arms of the Garda elite unit entering the hotel

blinding

Mago MVP wrote: »

It wasn’t well thought out at all really - the only thing that allowed that to happen was the fact there were no police - you’d think they’d be there at least in some form?

A lot of Criminals from the biggest Gangster Outfit in the Country. The Guards must know there are possible Targets and Possible Shooters and yet there are no Guards :eek::eek:

Made in China 2040

Haladmirer wrote: »

Nch and mago
Tac1 and tac2

tac3 was supposely Keith, that why he was trageted In sheriff at and innocent Martin O Rourke was killed.

abarkie

Isnt there still the issue of the Office - Fox

Who killed himself.

Isn't there a link to the Regency here?

Am i mistaken?

Jizique

Made in China 2040 wrote: »

tac3 was supposely Keith, that why he was trageted In sheriff at and innocent Martin O Rourke was killed.

Did it ever come out in the trial which “tac” was responsible for Byrne? It obviously wasn’t PH but I never heard who shot the fatal shots after jumping onto the reception desk

Mago MVP

Jeff2 wrote: »

They wanted to take out more than one

Byrne was one of them that they got.

Why didn’t they kill the two who was injured then?

Made in China 2040

Mago MVP wrote: »

How much did Gary invest?

A few million, not just Gary but others too.

abarkie wrote: »

Isnt there still the issue of the Office - Fox

Who killed himself.

Isn't there a link to the Regency here?

Am i mistaken?

He was the lead investigator, there's a few theories...

1, he leaked all names involved in regancy to the byrnes.

2, the email Patrick defence requested, showed the guards colluded to ID Patrick as "draglady".

3, he was using PGP phones and put guards in different places, so killing could happen, while the north inner city was in lock-down straight after the regancy.

Jizique wrote: »

Did it ever come out in the trial which “tac” was responsible for Byrne? It obviously wasn’t PH but I never heard who shot the fatal shots after jumping onto the reception desk

Yes the smallest tac, which you can view of the regancy CCTV of the actual shooting, not some so called MTK narrative.

Banana Republic.

Jizique wrote: »

Was it not that they thought/assumed he would flee the commotion out the front - into the waiting arms of the Garda elite unit entering the hotel

I wouldn’t think so logically surely the fire exit close to the stage is the most obvious but the issue was the room was moved so all plans in the air. Welsh screwed everything hahaha

JimmyCorkhill

Haladmirer wrote: »

Nch and mago
Tac1 and tac2

Nch? I am having a brain freeze

hatrickpatrick

Mago MVP wrote: »

How the f that Patrick Hutch got off with that is a madness. He’s been papped walking out! I know it’s him so if they used facial mapping etc there’s no way out of it.
Ireland is a crazy place

Read up on why the case collapsed. What it looks like to me is that multiple Gardaí have to positively identify a suspect from photographic or CCTV evidence in order for a Garda statement of someone's identity to be considered legitimate evidence (presumably to prevent a Garda with a grudge from mis-identifying and framing an innocent person for personal reasons), and that in this particular case, perhaps out of a desperation to score a victory after the feud had made law enforcement look incredibly helpless against the gangs, they decided to collude in identifying Hutch from that photograph, and that essentially, officers who claimed to identify him just by knowing him, were actually prompted by others to do so, to be sure of getting a conviction.

That's just a theory, but it seems the most likely explanation. The entire hold-up in the trial came about because the defense alleged that the photo identification procedure had been breached and they were demanding to see emails between four Gardaí, presumably to check if they had indeed colluded on naming him as the suspect without actually independently recognising him.

While the trial was on hold as the defence argued with the prosecution over access to these emails, Detective Colm Fox (the lead investigator in the case) committed suicide and made reference to "a grave error of judgment" in his suicide note. This note was handed in to the trial judge, who suspended the entire trial pending a DPP investigation. The DPP ultimately decided to drop the charges after looking in to the case.

My suspicion is that the emails would have revealed that the photo identification process did indeed involve prompting, and that Fox felt guilty that the trial would collapse just because they'd been in such a hurry to nail Hutch that they bent the rules and thus compromised the entire trial. But that's just a total guess based on piecing together all the media reports which came out around the time of the trial being repeatedly delayed, and its aftermath. You can read through them yourselves here:

(Articles in chronological order as the trial progressed and ultimately collapsed)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/almost-500-garda%C3%AD-did-not-recognise-patrick-hutch-in-photo-trial-hears-1.3360170

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gardai-made-dogs-dinner-of-identifying-gunman-in-wig-trial-told-36519809.html

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/regency-murder-trial-to-continue/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/regency-murder-trial-delayed-as-hutch-lawyer-seeks-documents-1.3383342 <--- This is where, after the photograph was deemed admissible, the defence demanded to see the email chain between four Gardaí involved

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/0219/941795-regency-murder-trial/ <--- The first adjournment:

The trial of a man accused of murder at the Regency Hotel in Dublin two years ago has been adjourned for three days after the court heard "a complicated" matter had arisen.

The prosecution claims that Patrick Hutch, 25, from Champions Avenue in Dublin was the man dressed as a woman carrying a gun on the day David Byrne was shot dead at the Regency Hotel on 5 February 2016.

Mr Hutch has denied the charges of murder and related firearms offences.

Defence Counsel Michael O'Higgins said material would have to be considered and he would be applying for either a retrial or for the existing court to continue hearing the case following a lengthy adjournment.

He said "certain matters" needed to be "investigated" and "that will take time".

Mr Justice Tony Hunt said matters appeared to be proceeding in the background and he adjourned the case until Thursday.

The trial was due to continue the following week, but then Det. Fox was found dead, five days later, new material handed in to the trial presented "unprecedented conundrums" and required the trial to be adjourned:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/regency-trial-adjourned-due-to-unprecedented-conundrums-1.3397520

Following this, notes written by Det. Fox were handed in to the trial and this caused a further adjournment while the circumstances of his death were investigated:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-adjourns-regency-trial-after-notes-authored-by-late-investigating-garda-handed-in-36631879.html

When the case was called today, Sean Gillane SC, prosecuting, thanked the court for its time and asked the judges to first receive some material and to rise to read it.

He said it was "not material I am going to open to the court" and said it was "notes authored by the late Detective Superintendent."

He said the material would provide some context to the application that would be made.

Michael O’Higgins SC, defending, said that was appropriate.

Judge Hunt said the court would not make any further comment.

When the judges returned, Mr Gillane said that as he had indicated previously, a separate investigation was taking place "into the circumstances of Supt Fox’s passing and it was felt, having considered the matter very very carefully, that it would be safer to allow the investigation to be completed, from everyone’s perspective, before the trial would proceed."

"In these circumstances I think it’s safer, subject to the court, to adjourn the trial, as a trial, for mention, to a date toward the end of term," he said.

This seemed to be the "safest path forward to make sure no-one is taken by surprise," he said.

The next adjournment came as electronic devices belonging to the late Detective and other Gardaí were investigated and apparently provided relevant information ("a significant amount of material"):

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/inquiry-into-death-of-lead-garda-in-regency-case-to-end-next-month-1.3616732

Senior prosecuting counsel Sean Gillane SC told the non-jury court on Monday that the “IT end of the investigation” was in sight.

One of the devices had been accessed, he said, and it had generated a “fairly significant amount of material”.

The court previously heard that a mobile phone and two USB devices needed to be forensically examined.

Mr Gillane also said further emails have been examined and their analysis were near completion. “In consequence, the expected completion date of the investigation is the middle to the end of October at the latest,” he said.

In reply, Michael O’Higgins SC for Mr Hutch said this was frustrating for his client but the process had to be gone through. “We have to accept that the State is doing it at as quick a pace as it can,” he added.

Mr Justice Tony Hunt, presiding, said the delay was unfortunate for Mr Hutch as he was the one on trial.

The judge asked Mr O’Higgins if “some form of hearing” would be required when this process was completed. “I think so,” replied Mr O’Higgins.

The judge said the court would have two weeks available for the case in December if this was required.

“It has to be given priority over everything else. It may be that nothing comes of it,” said the judge.

Mr O’Higgins said he imagined that the defence will make representations to the DPP when the full report is made available to both parties.

The report was then given first to the prosecution, and then several weeks later to the defence:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/regency-hotel-shooting-trial-to-resume-in-december-1.3692154

The next time the case appeared in court, the trial collapsed on the back of that report:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/patrick-hutch-walks-free-as-regency-hotel-murder-charge-dropped-1.3800167

And both the Gardaí and GSOC opened investigations into exactly what happened:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/regency-hotel-case-garda-and-gsoc-to-investigate-trial-collapse-1.3800874

And finally, the most recent time it was mentioned publicly, GSOC applied for and was granted access to all of the transcripts and evidence pertaining to the trial and its collapse:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/collapsed-hutch-murder-trial-transcripts-to-be-given-to-gsoc-1.4055279

The question now becomes whether the eventual findings will be released publicly or given to the Oireachtas or DOJ with them having the final discretion as to whether they are published.

As I'm sure is obvious, this is one case which absolutely fascinated me as it really has an air of Line of Duty about it, so I've been watching out for any mention of it like a hawk, but it hasn't been raised since the access request by GSOC and the granting of that request by the SCC. Presumably with the current crisis etc, it'll be a while yet before any further developments, but I for one sincerely hope that whatever the conclusion (or inconclusion as the case may be) is, the public are given some clear indication as to what the DPP felt was such a serious discovery that it had no choice but to withdraw the charges. It's definitely not as simple as the death of the investigator meaning that the trial couldn't proceed, something was clearly going on behind the scenes which had already thrown the trial into chaos and given that the trial didn't collapse until after the initial investigation report into the suicide was given to both the prosecution and the defence, it seems clear to me that there's a lot more to this than appears at first glance.

Honestly this particular aspect of the story is the main reason I'm particularly fascinated by the Regency attack more so than any of the other gangland incidents over the last number of years. Whatever happened, piecing together the news reports makes it very interesting for anyone who's into mystery stories!

hatrickpatrick

Made in China 2040 wrote: »

Theory 4, the Bynes were shouting about the usb and drives after David's inquest, they suggested that fox was in the pockets of the hutches.

Ok this is interesting, because Sadie held up a placard outside the court on the day the trial collapsed which was censored and pixelated from every angle, by every source which carried a photograph of it. I've had a Byrning curiosity (excuse the pun

) to know what she wanted to tell the world on that placard ever since the photographs of it with the actual card pixellated out did the rounds, there are several photographs of her holding this document from several different angles and all of them have photoshopped it so you can't read what she had written on it. In this one you can see that someone behind her is also holding a placard and it's also been pixellated out:

I don't suppose any of ye have an insight into what was on it?

Haladmirer

Nathan coakley hutch

Johnsmithsnan

Scarcity studios absolutely butchered that Kean video, the amount of ***** who licked his arse over it saying it was great . He’s you’re typical nosey scrote who takes pride in showing of what he thinks he knows . Pretty much glamourises the lifestyle in his videos while saying RIP to its victims at the same time . His info on Ireland is so **** no wonder he was gullible enough to post that .

Made in China 2040

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ok this is interesting, because Sadie held up a placard outside the court on the day the trial collapsed which was censored and pixelated from every angle, by every source which carried a photograph of it. I've had a Byrning curiosity (excuse the pun ) to know what she wanted to tell the world on that placard ever since the photographs of it with the actual card pixellated out did the rounds, there are several photographs of her holding this document from several different angles and all of them have photoshopped it so you can't read what she had written on it. In this one you can see that someone behind her is also holding a placard and it's also been pixellated out:

I don't suppose any of ye have an insight into what was on it?

The one behind was of a twitter account, which was asking, what was in the usb sticks and usb devices of Colm Fox, if memory serves me right it was truthseeker the account that put up a lovely view of Gary hutch dead in Spain of which MTK global liked, the card she is holding is from the guards, dunno what that one is about.

2PLUS2EQUALS10

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ok this is interesting, because Sadie held up a placard outside the court on the day the trial collapsed which was censored and pixelated from every angle, by every source which carried a photograph of it. I've had a Byrning curiosity (excuse the pun ) to know what she wanted to tell the world on that placard ever since the photographs of it with the actual card pixellated out did the rounds, there are several photographs of her holding this document from several different angles and all of them have photoshopped it so you can't read what she had written on it. In this one you can see that someone behind her is also holding a placard and it's also been pixellated out:

I don't suppose any of ye have an insight into what was on it?

It looks similar to a Police mugshot board.

Dante7

Shooting in Belfast. Locals saying he is dead.

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1262159933518348289?s=19

Jinglejangle69

In the pic of PH and flat cap running away it looks like gards in the background standing there chatting away.

Could never figure that out.

Donald Trump

2PLUS2EQUALS10 wrote: »

It looks similar to a Police mugshot board.

There is a date on it

either

12/12/2013
oe
12/12/2017

I think one of them might have been the day the ice-age ended. Or maybe that was 19th July

Konig

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

In the pic of PH and flat cap running away it looks like gards in the background standing there chatting away.

Could never figure that out.

That’s not the guards.
They do have matching hats, maybe security?

MelvinWagstaff

Made in China 2040 wrote: »

Do you Patrick personally? If not you can't say it was him for definite
The make-up, contoured the face, facial mapping wasn't that good in 2016 only 2 guards IDed "draglady" as Patrick out of hundreds stationed in ballymun, the Gardai colluded in IDing drag lady as Patrick Hutch and whatever else was got in the emails between fox and others in ballymun.

They were there, only for intelligence gathering though, no-one suspected what was about to happen, even though all the papers had journos there.

Yes, yes and yes. Correct on everything

Ash.J.Williams

Kieran Cunningham is doing a great job on this in the media

MrSanchez

Supposedly NCH shot David first then Mago went over and finished him off, news reports afterwards also stated he rang the other side laughing about David wiggling like a worm, don’t know how the Byrne family would be happy seeing that reenactment in the scarcity documentary