almostover wrote: » The public sector pay deals brought in under benchmarking were unsustainable. We can't go back to that practice. Public sector workers must contribute appropriately towards their pension also. The old system of meager contributions for an excellent pension scheme was also unsustainable. Surely you understand that? I'm contracted for a 38 hour working week. I have never worked that. Usually 40-45 hours, but I want to progress my career and get yearly salary increases. If I was happy stagnating I'd do just what's required of me and no more. It's simple.
purifol0 wrote: » You mean part time workers like public sector Teachers & Lecturers?
hardybuck wrote: » One thing that should be resolved immediately is the accelerated pensions for Gardai. Service after the 20th year is doubled for pension purposes, so they can retire on a full pension with 30 years service. Aside from this costing a fortune, it means that thousands of experienced Gardai are leaving as young men and women when they have loads more to offer. It made sense years ago when people didn't live as long, but that day is over.
beauf wrote: » That fine but you have to accept the consequences of that. One would be all public services we use will be negatively effected. Some might suggest it could all be automated, streamlined. Sure but it requires people to do that, and you won't attract them in to Public service with poor conditions. So contract it out and its gets milked as a cash cow, so you end up getting less for more. You could argue, you need to cut down the bloat, get people to work more effectively. But you'll be battling the unions for years. Every try implement change in the public sector. Its like trying to sprint in glue. Worthwhile and needed sure. But simple?
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Years ago the minimum age was 50. Now it's 55 so it's already been addressed to match longer life 55 ain't young for that kind of physical work. You try chasing a Criminal and wrestling him at 55 after 30 years shift work.
almostover wrote: » Correct, simple in theory. Here's a easy one. The Gardai have ANPR software that recognises your number plate as you drive by. It tells them if your tax is paid up or not. Yet there are people employed in the public sector to print off tax discs and send them out. Their job is obsolete and were paying for it unnecessarily with out tax euros.
saabsaab wrote: » [/B] It might be back. I'd say that average lifespan is set to decrease in the next while.
PARlance wrote: » It's not that hard to see why nurses are getting the most kudos, is it. Front line, in the firing line. I know 2 and both got it, one got it very bad and they wasn't far away from having to be put in an induced coma. Back to work a few weeks later as well.
hardybuck wrote: » Who says you have to be chasing and wrestling anyone? Let the young lads do that and let the older guys stay longer to pass on their experience and work on complex investigations.
LillySV wrote: » My point to you is that the old system is gone .... civil servants from 05 are paying more than their share, meanwhile their pension entitlement a lot less than those before them . I think people in this country need to start venting their frustration at the tds , the ministers... they want details of their pay hidden, info on their massive pensions and expenses not being released . Their friends in rte and the indo not reporting or making any mention of all the extra incentives the ff/fg tds and ministers have been signing into law in recent years .( and its not cause of lazy reporting.. ).. and while we mention that ... what about the massive level of money been handed to their pals in legal system ... they were told by trouble to reform legal system in the last recession but the gravy train left there... free legal aid to lads.... massive blue collar crime going unpunished since then ... taxpayers pay for it all ... And I’ll finish on this final point ... looks like we going to get ff/fg and the greens. Even though very little voted for greens and ff and fg got less votes than others .....so basically a system that puts in people that didn’t even get voted in I suppose what I’m saying is the taxpayer in this country needs to start uniting and protesting against the real problems in this country ... cronyism being a big one
[Deleted User] wrote: » ^ this is our bastion of respectful discourse in the thread folks walk into a warehouse and talk to some big lad working there like that because "customers pay his wages" itll be a public servant treating you an hour later id say
thomasdylan wrote: » Anyone working half an hour extra a day wasn't working full time hours before. You weren't doing 39 or 40 hours a week. There's little to moan about there.
purifol0 wrote: » If you want to be treated an hour later you had better have bought private health insurance
almostover wrote: » Correct, simple in theory. Here's a easy one. The Gardai have ANPR software that recognises your number plate as you drive by. It tells them if your tax is paid up or not. Yet there are people employed in the public sector to print off tax discs and send them out. Their job is obsolete and were paying for it unnecessarily with our tax euros.
Charles Babbage wrote: » Motor tax is almost completely automated, it is one of the worst examples is use of inefficiency. While ANPR seems like the solution in the UK abolishing tax discs lead to a lot more evasion.https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/nov/16/untaxed-vehicles-uk-trebles-tax-disc-abolition-vehicle-excise-duty-dvla
addaword wrote: » There are plenty of other tough jobs in the economy, and virtually none in the private sector where you can retire after 30 years with a pension pot worth 1.8 million, as the Irish times research shows.
Deleted User wrote: » Maybe this was said earlier but is it not more likely rather than politically sensitive pay cuts to PS workers, that we just see a COVID levy applied to everybody in the state? Maybe in 2 or 3 broad income bands (including those on social)
blanch152 wrote: » More nonsense. I saw a calculation that showed that the net household income for Violet Anne-Wynne's family was higher on social welfare than a single person as a TD would get in take-home because of the way that the social welfare system encourages families not to work and the tax system penalises single people who do work.Reform needs to start with the social wefare system. One of the key lessons from this crisis is that the shock of losing a job causes an immediate loss that is higher than the long-term loss. A rebalancing of the social welfare system away from the long-term slackers and towards the recently unemployed would be a very good development.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » So have a top heavy organisation of people in offices unable to perform their full function? Policing is a young man's game. There's enough senior heads under 50 that can teach them
almostover wrote: » Firstly FF got the most seats. Secondly we have a PR STV electoral system so it is irrelevant who got the most seats or the most votes. Whatever goverment can come together with an overall majority based on policy agreements is one with a mandate to govern. We're going to get FF/FG/Greens and that's what could be put in place based on the election results. Guessing you voted SF or Soc Dems.....the eternal hurlers from the ditch? All of the groups you've mentioned are part of the public service. TDs are in a unique position because every 5 years their job is up for review. I've no problem with what they're paid, if their not doing their job we can get rid of them. Shane Ross is a good example. I'm against bureaucracy and cronyism in all sectors,public and private. But customers in the private sector don't pay for bureaucracy for long. All of us as citizens and taxpayers should demand a more efficient public sector.
blanch152 wrote: » More nonsense. I saw a calculation that showed that the net household income for Violet Anne-Wynne's family was higher on social welfare than a single person as a TD would get in take-home because of the way that the social welfare system encourages families not to work and the tax system penalises single people who do work. Reform needs to start with the social wefare system. One of the key lessons from this crisis is that the shock of losing a job causes an immediate loss that is higher than the long-term loss. A rebalancing of the social welfare system away from the long-term slackers and towards the recently unemployed would be a very good development.
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