Bobtheman wrote: » Check the website ASTI
Janey B wrote: » I think most teachers are on board with giving predicted grades. These are unprecedented times and we all have to adapt. I am happy to be in the ASTI but think just go ahead with this now. Get it done, stop muddying the waters asking for orals & practical grades to be rescinded. We are going around in circles. Giving a predicted grade is challenging enough without having to figure it out if a student has full marks in the practical/oral element!!! That’s my point.
jayo76 wrote: » Im not being argumentative here, I can see your point on orals/practicals of course I can but there is no way I would have the feeling that you had of just go ahead with it now. I dont want to go ahead with anything until issues are addressed and if the ASTI leadership statement last night had just been that they were happy to go ahead with this now, the abuse they would currently be getting would be huge!
jayo76 wrote: » In fairness to the ASTI, they have said they have a number of issues with the proposals and they would seek to improve equity and clarity on a number of issues. The ASTI campaigned very hard against teacher assessment of students even at Junior Cycle so there is no way they would have wanted to accept teachers predicting grade in the much higher stakes Leaving Cert. I have already seen whatsapp posts this morning from people suggesting the ASTI have sold them out, are not protecting them. Of course these posts are from people who have never attended a Branch meeting, never voice an opinion and only ever think of the Union when they personally feel under threat. I dont want to be predicting grades but Im not sure what my Union can do to stop it, best they can do is get it tweaked and they have said they have issues in a number of areas, not just practicals and orals.
Bobtheman wrote: » There are a lot of details to be worked out. Im a bit stressed about the time machine element. Suddenly, Im meant to have detailed records in the past? Im not that type of person. I have some notes on homework and the odd grade but I wasn't geared up for this. Will I be reprimanded? Im worried.
Bobtheman wrote: » There are a lot of details to be worked out. Im a bit stressed about the time machine element. Suddenly, Im meant to have detailed records in the past? Im not that type of person. I have some notes on homework and the odd grade but I wasn't geared up for this. Will I be reprimanded? Im worried. I still think it will mainly be based on whats in the school system but I could be wrong.
Newbie20 wrote: » Look while I agree with you to a certain extent and there’s little they can do at this stage, I do feel the ASTIs number one concern from this point should be to make sure the teachers are protected in all this. Not to be looking for free marks to be reinstated for orals and practicals, I didn’t hear any teacher looking for this, it’s very strange. I thought that they would have made a complaint about the lack of a voice they had in the decision making process. Did they have much of a say in any of this? If they feel they did have a say and time to engage with their membership, then why weren’t the members surveyed for their opinions, before the announcement? To be honest I think if people feel that the ASTI sold them out (I wouldn’t go that far myself, just a bit annoyed that they didn’t make stronger points), they are entitled to that opinion because whether they go to branch meetings or not every one of them pays hundreds of euro every year for that representation.
byronbay2 wrote: » Some of my daughters (LC student) thoughts/concerns: * The students in favour of predicted grades ran a very successful social media campaign with the backing of the ISSU. The ISSU have not represented well any students who weren't in favour of PG's. They have not been catered for well in this outcome. My daughter is not in favour of predicted grades and was pilloried on any platform she mentioned this on and I am talking badly bullied, so for a finish up herself and her friends just gave up. One guy went so far as to send her a fake url to click on so he could find out where she lived. * My daughters school has 4 teachers where they teach their own daughters. These teachers are friends and socialise together and also with the Principal. It has been a running joke for the last 6 years that these kids have always been favoured over other students. Always picked for main parts in plays, trips to various days out, school bank positions etc etc. How is fairness going to work here when the person responsible for checking fairness is also buddies with them? Who says one can't have a quiet word with the other and arrange for each of them to score their daughters higher then others. This only one example, I'm sure there are 100's more across the country. * My daughter does music out of school, how is her grade going to be filtered back in through the school and who is to say that the school teacher will put in the grade recommended by the external teacher. She is expecting a H1, will the school music teacher be happy to forfeit one of the precious H1s of his own students? * The government has said use mock results with caution, what does this even mean? How can schools possibly use mocks when there was a website (****theleavingcert) with every single mock paper published and I am talking full pdf's. My daughter chose not to look at them as she wanted a true reflection of where she was to get a better picture of what she needed to improve on. Boy, does she regret this decision now! * My daughter now knows that she will not get her course with predicted grades. She needs a lot of points. She got 0 A's in her mock JC results and ended up getting 8 A's in the real thing. She is a calculated crammer and had a clear plan on how she was going to get her required grades from the mocks on. If she had known how important all the class tests etc would have been she would have studied accordingly. Introducing this retrospectively is deeply unfair. She now is in a position where she has no idea when her LC nightmare will end as she will have to sit an exam to secure her required course and no date has been set for this yet. She is 19 and devastated that she has to wait another year to enter college where she will be among students possibly 3 years younger then her. * A lot of her friends are going to accept their 2nd choice, do the LC written exams and take up their desired 1st choice course in 2021. As a result lots of kids will lose out on their first choice course because students are looking for ways to fill the year and taking up these places. * I wont even go into how bad this is for 5th years where lots of places to courses will already be gone to 2020 students by the time they come round. It has been a very difficult few days in this house and I am trying my best to put a positive spin on something that I feel is grossly unfair. This is having a deeply devastating effect on her and her future is still very much up in the air.
byronbay2 wrote: » Some of my daughters (LC student) thoughts/concerns: * The students in favour of predicted grades ran a very successful social media campaign with the backing of the ISSU. The ISSU threw any student who wasn't in favour of PG's under the bus. They have not been catered for well in this outcome. My daughter is not in favour of predicted grades and was pilloried on any platform she mentioned this on and I am talking badly bullied, so for a finish up herself and her friends just gave up. One guy went so far as to send her a fake url to click on so he could find out where she lived. * My daughters school has 4 teachers where they teach their own daughters. These teachers are friends and socialise together and also with the Principal. It has been a running joke for the last 6 years that these kids have always been favoured over other students. Always picked for main parts in plays, trips to various days out, school bank positions etc etc. How is fairness going to work here when the person responsible for checking fairness is also buddies with them? Who says one can't have a quiet word with the other and arrange for each of them to score their daughters higher then others. This only one example I'm sure there are 100's more across the country. * My daughter does music out of school, how is her grade going to be filtered back in through the school and who is to say that the school teacher will put in the grade recommended by the external teacher. She is expecting a H1, will the school music teacher be happy to forfeit one of the precious H1s of his own students? * The government has said use mock results with caution, what does his mean? How can schools possibly use mocks when there was a website (****theleavingcert) with every single mock paper published and I am talking full pdf's. My daughter chose not to look at them as she wanted a true reflection of where she was to get a better picture of what she needed to improve on. Boy, does she regret this now! * My daughter now knows that she will not get her course with predicted grades. She needs a lot of points. She got 0 A's in her mock JC results and ended up getting 8 A's in the real thing. She is a calculated crammer and had a clear plan on how she was going to get her required grades from the mocks on. If she had known how important all the class tests etc would have been she would have studied accordingly. Introducing this retrospectively is deeply unfair. She now is in a position where she has no idea when her LC nightmare will end as she will have to sit an exam to secure her required course and no date has been set for this yet. She is 19 and devastated that she has to wait another year to enter college where she will be among students possibly 3 years younger then her. * A lot of her friends are going to accept their 2nd choice, do the LC written exams and take up their desired 1st choice course in 2021. As a result lots of kids will lose out on their first choice course because students are looking for ways to fill the year and taking up these places. * I wont even go into how bad this is for 5th years where lots of places to courses will already be gone to 2020 students by the time they come round. It has been a very difficult few days in this house and I am trying my best to put a positive spin on something that I feel is grossly unfair. This is having a deeply devastating effect on her and her future is still very much up in the air.
byronbay2 wrote: » * My daughter now knows that she will not get her course with predicted grades. She needs a lot of points. She got 0 A's in her mock JC results and ended up getting 8 A's in the real thing. She is a calculated crammer and had a clear plan on how she was going to get her required grades from the mocks on. If she had known how important all the class tests etc would have been she would have studied accordingly. Introducing this retrospectively is deeply unfair. She now is in a position where she has no idea when her LC nightmare will end as she will have to sit an exam to secure her required course and no date has been set for this yet. She is 19 and devastated that she has to wait another year to enter college where she will be among students possibly 3 years younger then her. * A lot of her friends are going to accept their 2nd choice, do the LC written exams and take up their desired 1st choice course in 2021. As a result lots of kids will lose out on their first choice course because students are looking for ways to fill the year and taking up these places.
rainbowtrout wrote: » While I sympathise with your daughter you have no idea what grades she will be awarded and what points she will attain or what she will be offered in college. Same for her friends.
byronbay2 wrote: » oh she knows alright cause there is very little room for manouevre in what she needs to get and her course is very high points. One subject which is just rote learning she had put aside until nearer the exams. As I said she is a very calculated student and knew exactly what she was doing albeit it has back fired on her now.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » A large number will go for the written papers if they reinstate this. Irish and languages starting at 40% instead of 0%, like free money
Dylan94 wrote: » But you have no idea what grades the teacher is going to put down for your daughter. They could be higher than you expect. Equally, although your daughter is hard working and calculated, if the exams were to go ahead it would be just as easy for your daughter not to get her place due to over estimating a grade or points rising of there is already very little room to manoeuvre on a high points course.
