joebloggs32 wrote: » Can't go all by computer. A student of mine scored 82 last summer, 54 in October and 90 in the mock However he was out sick for a couple of weeks at the end of September. If I only go thr computer then he's nowhere near the A1 because of October results. However I know he had at a really strong chance of the A1
Bobtheman wrote: » Sense will prevail. It will be what is in the system already not a leap into the future. It will be whats in the computer nothing else.
Bobtheman wrote: » Mark my word-individual solo runs like what you have outlined above wont be allowed. Not to doubt your integrity but there will be order placed on it. A one size fits all system. Beause otherwise it will be chaos. No make up your own minds.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Yet, the guidelines allow for a student you might feel would rise to challenge in the last few months of 6th year, which covers all the crammers with ability
chocoholic999 wrote: » It was just a thought really. I know for definite they hadn’t seen the exam before and I corrected it myself and am confident in my marking. I have loads of test results but I’m not sure chapter results give a good picture. I’ll look at Christmas results and see if there was much variation. Nothing is decided yet, I’m sure we’ll get plenty of guidance.
Jajadog wrote: » Chocoholic99 does that mean you are giving an estimated Grade based solely on their mock result?? I would have thought it would be much fairer to take all past exams, class tests etc into account. I know you gave your class an old mock exam but most mocks were leaked online this year.
km79 wrote: » This system relies on all teachers in all schools following the same guidelines This is why it will not work
Newbie20 wrote: » Did you give them an old paper the time of the mocks or give them one since lockdown? Those results will turn out to be priceless for you now because you will know that they couldn’t have seen the exam. Most of my mocks seemed about right but I’d be a bit suspicious of a couple of them. Makes it very hard to decide whether to take it into consideration or not.
chocoholic999 wrote: » I intentionally gave my students an old mock paper. Corrected them myself. I’ve been an examiner with SEC for years. From my experience all students go up from mocks. So I’m intending to add 15% to each result and will see what they come out as. Don’t know if I’ll get away with such a simple process but I think it might be a fair as I can get.
Mardy Bum wrote: » I'm not saying it is right. I'm saying it is the only solution when you build a system as brutally flawed as this.
randylonghorn wrote: » I see where you're coming from, Mardy, but that too has the potential to skew things. Like the teacher on here earlier who said she has had 2-3 years of average to good students, from whom the highest mark she was expecting was a H2 ... and that's what they got. This year she has 2 bright, hard-working students who she fully expected to achieve a H1. Should they be pulled down based on the results from the last couple of years?
Mardy Bum wrote: » The only way for the DES to counter this is to be ruthless with regard to the last three years worth of stats.
km79 wrote: » Wait until the campaign for next years Leaving Cert cohort begins
rainbowtrout wrote: » Maybe they'll just give the students a sheet and say 'fill in what you were aiming for...'
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » Ha! I'm picturing the likes of Aidan Roantree with >100 students per class (well really lecture), doesn't know anyone's name, no tests, no evidence to back up a prediction. Undoubtedly a very good Maths lecturer for those aiming for a H1, but I don't see how those like him will be able to comply with this process.
randylonghorn wrote: » Ah but the grind schools teachers are experts at predicting exam questions, so predicting mere exam results will be chicken-feed for them! I'm going for a walk now that the thunder has stopped, my cynicism is showing! >_>
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » How will the grinds schools come up with a grade? They often don't do Christmas and Summer exams. They rarely do class tests, and it's usually all opt in. The mocks are usually optional in the evening and many don't bother with them, or only do a few. In a lot of cases they will have little or no evidence upon which to grade a student.
Millionaire only not wrote: » And what is wrong with it move the clock back few years they allowed u combine leaving certs half the people on here would fall into that category . Can’t u see by giving that is going to stop many a legal case .
pbthevet wrote: » Most of the work is done in the months between mocks and june exams. I got 600 points in leaving but i got 420 in mocks. I started my study plan after the teaching element was over and then knuckled down. Exams before the mocks ie the school ones ........ were all over the place. Some teachers marked fair others couldn’t be arsed and personally i think they count for nothing. I never got all a’s in summer or xmas exams. I knuckled down because i wanted to be a vet. And i got there. But ud never have thought id of gotten the points if u looked back at my previous results. I know others who also did well in leaving and are doctors etc and some of them failed their mocks. No body gave a damn about the mocks. Sure u weren’t even finished being thought the subjects in most cases. U cud answer half the questions well and the rest were give it a go or u ran out of time etc. All the work is done in the months following. Ask anyone. So who is getting the 600 points this year ..... or whatever the max is now in new system. How are they going to work this out. Who gets to study medicine, Veterinary law etc?? Its not going to work. These courses are in such demand that simple 5 points meant repeating the year sometimes. And what about the repeaters? How are they going to get a predicted grade? A second year wasted? Complete shambles
