km79 wrote: » Wait until the campaign for next years Leaving Cert cohort begins
Mardy Bum wrote: » The only way for the DES to counter this is to be ruthless with regard to the last three years worth of stats.
randylonghorn wrote: » I see where you're coming from, Mardy, but that too has the potential to skew things. Like the teacher on here earlier who said she has had 2-3 years of average to good students, from whom the highest mark she was expecting was a H2 ... and that's what they got. This year she has 2 bright, hard-working students who she fully expected to achieve a H1. Should they be pulled down based on the results from the last couple of years?
Mardy Bum wrote: » I'm not saying it is right. I'm saying it is the only solution when you build a system as brutally flawed as this.
chocoholic999 wrote: » I intentionally gave my students an old mock paper. Corrected them myself. I’ve been an examiner with SEC for years. From my experience all students go up from mocks. So I’m intending to add 15% to each result and will see what they come out as. Don’t know if I’ll get away with such a simple process but I think it might be a fair as I can get.
Newbie20 wrote: » Did you give them an old paper the time of the mocks or give them one since lockdown? Those results will turn out to be priceless for you now because you will know that they couldn’t have seen the exam. Most of my mocks seemed about right but I’d be a bit suspicious of a couple of them. Makes it very hard to decide whether to take it into consideration or not.
km79 wrote: » This system relies on all teachers in all schools following the same guidelines This is why it will not work
Jajadog wrote: » Chocoholic99 does that mean you are giving an estimated Grade based solely on their mock result?? I would have thought it would be much fairer to take all past exams, class tests etc into account. I know you gave your class an old mock exam but most mocks were leaked online this year.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Yet, the guidelines allow for a student you might feel would rise to challenge in the last few months of 6th year, which covers all the crammers with ability
chocoholic999 wrote: » It was just a thought really. I know for definite they hadn’t seen the exam before and I corrected it myself and am confident in my marking. I have loads of test results but I’m not sure chapter results give a good picture. I’ll look at Christmas results and see if there was much variation. Nothing is decided yet, I’m sure we’ll get plenty of guidance.
Bobtheman wrote: » Mark my word-individual solo runs like what you have outlined above wont be allowed. Not to doubt your integrity but there will be order placed on it. A one size fits all system. Beause otherwise it will be chaos. No make up your own minds.
Bobtheman wrote: » Sense will prevail. It will be what is in the system already not a leap into the future. It will be whats in the computer nothing else.
joebloggs32 wrote: » Can't go all by computer. A student of mine scored 82 last summer, 54 in October and 90 in the mock However he was out sick for a couple of weeks at the end of September. If I only go thr computer then he's nowhere near the A1 because of October results. However I know he had at a really strong chance of the A1
Bobtheman wrote: » I really doubt individual records will be allowed. Think it through. The logic of it.
chocoholic999 wrote: » So if we think of what results are in the computer. Christmas, summer, mocks and junior cert results. Some schools don’t do Christmas exams in 6th year. Not all students will have junior cert results for that subject. I find it difficult to figure out what system can be implemented that would work the same in all schools.
km79 wrote: » Junior certs results will not be used by the teacher Have a look at thishttps://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f07eb-leaving-cert-2020-information/#information-for-leaving-cert-students
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » McHugh repeatedly said the teacher knows the students best. We won't be reduced to averaging term exams and that's clear from the guidelines. We'll use results as a guideline but if you're at this craic long enough you know who was headed where and the in-house results will provide some support for your opinion. They are not, however, the only thing to guide you, professional judgement also comes into it. McHugh was pretty clear on this.
Bobtheman wrote: » Ah come on. He has flip flopped so many times I cant believe he can stand straight.
CrabRevolution wrote: » I'm beginning to think people are unaware how the points system works. They're under the impression that (using your example) the Head of Veterinary Science in UCD each year decides that "This year we'll only take students over 570 points" and that everyone with >570 points gets in. Rather than the real system where (aside from minimum subject grades) points are effectively allowed float freely and it's demand for limited places on a course that sets the points. It seems students (and/or parents) also reckon their predicted grade should be their best case scenario grade +1. As far as they are concerned this will bump every single one of them into the courses they wanted, but in normal circumstances probably wouldn't have gotten. In reality as you say, places are limited and thousands of students might slam into the 600 point ceiling with nothing to differentiate the legitimately entitled to the artificially inflated.
Mardy Bum wrote: » It should be taken for granted that this will happen in at least a small minority of private schools. These schools exist for a certain class or for those with aspirations of entering it. In the words of Bodie "the system is rigged". At the same time there will be public schools that will do what they like. This may be down to a teacher going out on a limb and helping their students or it could be top down. The idea that every member of a profession is angelic is laughable A much bigger issue than schools or teachers inflating grades purposefully is schools and teachers inflating them unknowingly which will happen in about 80% of cases according to the UCL report. The only way for the DES to counter this is to be ruthless with regard to the last three years worth of stats. .
