Bobtheman wrote: » The logical thing is to stick to school exams/mocks. Ranking seems very difficult outside of the criteria above
Treppen wrote: » I think the ranking has to be done to ensure some type of movement of students up and down!
km79 wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/expect-litigation-from-chaos-it-cant-be-done-fairly-39192568.html Here we go again. "Student voice" from the other side
Bobtheman wrote: » When will this "work" be done?
km79 wrote: » When we are finished teaching , correcting, subject planning for next year , organizing online awards days , croke park evenings and junior cycle grading So mid June is my guess
Newbie20 wrote: » Anyone know if students are still allowed to change level? I have a student that had been struggling all year, bone lazy, didn’t engage with the work online at all. He contacted me once to say that he would drop down. I told him to check with career guidance teacher first to make sure he wouldn’t be snookering himself in term of college. I never heard back from him after, not sure he followed through. He would definitely be best off dropping, no doubt about that but am I now in a position that I can’t say anything / make any recommendations. Or even if I was allowed to would it be too late anyway?
Millionaire only not wrote: » schools have predicted grades done for students attending Uk colleges. Upwards of 3000 students annually, will the school have to go with these predicted results they gave and signed off on?
Consuelano wrote: » I am bowled over reading these posts. It appears many of you have accepted that this is the “plan” and are actually considering following through with it. Just to remind everybody, this “plan” was arrived at due to political pressure and a media frenzy. In the midst of everything, the voice of teachers has been ignored. All we’ve heard regarding the teaching unions is that they had “safety concerns” for teachers, were the exams to take place in July. That’s no surprise. Everybody has safety concerns over everything. We have heard nothing more. Nothing about whether teachers would accept the task of grading their own students. Nothing about the inevitable backlash this will have on teachers. It's worth quoting Joe McHugh here who stated there was “too much inherent bias” in a system where teachers graded their own students. Under GDPR, students will be entitled to see the original grades awarded by their teachers. Be under absolutely no illusion here – you will be expected to fail some of your students, and they will know you failed them. If you think you can award them all decent grades and be done with it, you’re mistaken. Your grades and rankings will be returned to you as many times as it takes until YOU get them right, ie. fail some students. There will be no teacher discretion in the awarding of marks. Everything will require absolute proof. And you will be bullied by the powers that be until they deem the grades you’re awarding acceptable. Were you consulted on this “plan”? Was your voice heard in all of this? If ever we needed the union to step up to the plate, it is now. We need firstly to have our voices heard in all of this, and to actually be asked if we are willing to go along with what will unquestionably come back to bite us. Do not believe for a second that this will not have any bearing on future decisions or that it will not be regarded as precedent. If it happens, it will be a major factor in Leaving Cert reform which was imminent even before the pandemic. Just like with the JC, we have arrived where we are due to a snap decision that came off the back of media and political pressure. That’s just not acceptable. We must take a step back here and consider the full implications of what this means for us as individuals, for our profession, and for education as a whole in this country.
Consuelano wrote: » Just to remind everybody, this “plan” was arrived at due to political pressure and a media frenzy.
Consuelano wrote: » I am bowled over reading these posts. It appears many of you have accepted that this is the “plan” and are actually considering following through with it. Just to remind everybody, this “plan” was arrived at due to political pressure and a media frenzy. In the midst of everything, the voice of teachers has been ignored. All we’ve heard regarding the teaching unions is that they had “safety concerns” for teachers, were the exams to take place in July. That’s no surprise. Everybody has safety concerns over everything. We have heard nothing more. Nothing about whether teachers would accept the task of grading their own students. Nothing about the inevitable backlash this will have on teachers. It's worth quoting Joe McHugh here who stated there was “too much inherent bias” in a system where teachers graded their own students. We Under GDPR, students will be entitled to see the original grades awarded by their teachers. Be under absolutely no illusion here – you will be expected to fail some of your students, and they will know you failed them. If you think you can award them all decent grades and be done with it, you’re mistaken. Your grades and rankings will be returned to you as many times as it takes until YOU get them right, ie. fail some students. There will be no teacher discretion in the awarding of marks. Everything will require absolute proof. And you will be bullied by the powers that be until they deem the grades you’re awarding acceptable. Were you consulted on this “plan”? Was your voice heard in all of this? If ever we needed the union to step up to the plate, it is now. We need firstly to have our voices heard in all of this, and to actually be asked if we are willing to go along with what will unquestionably come back to bite us. Do not believe for a second that this will not have any bearing on future decisions or that it will not be regarded as precedent. If it happens, it will be a major factor in Leaving Cert reform which was imminent even before the pandemic. Just like with the JC, we have arrived where we are due to a snap decision that came off the back of media and political pressure. That’s just not acceptable. We must take a step back here and consider the full implications of what this means for us as individuals, for our profession, and for education as a whole in this country.
Newbie20 wrote: » I also was contacted by the union rep in the area to be fair for comment and have e-mailed him back complaining about the lack of teacher voice in all this. I also asked why the unions didn’t stall the government until they had a chance to ask the teachers what they thought. They knew this was coming and should have sent a text out to every union member asking them to vote. We heard all about 79% of students wanted no Leaving but we didn’t hear a single percentage about what teachers thought was best. If anyone wants to have a voice you need to get onto them today, they are having another meeting this evening. However, unfortunately people are talking about this as if it’s a done deal because it is a done deal. I think it’s shocking too but if theirs one thing we have learned from all of this and in recent years is that the government don’t care what the teachers think. Unions have a bit of a voice and students do. That’s it.
