gormdubhgorm wrote: » Yeah you get 'blah blah blah' as a reply. I got 'rambling' thrown at me when I dissected my many problems with SF, and the problems they have. It is funny have SF rhetoric on the internet descends to child like levels/ or at best teenage levels when they have no other retort. Of course many make take thier lead from the very top in fairness:
armaghlad wrote: » Oh please. Spare me this complete and utter bullshít. First off, the Stormont executive is a glorified county council, so jot that one down. SF are in power with a bunch of right-wing reactionary idiots who can and do veto anything that doesn’t tie in with their interpretation of either the bible or their sense of extreme British nationalism. This all against of a backdrop of ten years of conservative power and Tory austerity. So really calls the shots? Neither FG or FF have ever bothered their holes standing in elections in NI but the likes of Michael Martin and that sanctimonious git Varadkar (who made an absolute fool of himself yesterday) are happy to snipe from the sidelines, scared shítless of the thought of losing power in the Republic. SF are far from perfect, far from it but these wallies act like butter wouldn’t melt.
TheCitizen wrote: » Child like levels of rhetoric? The irony that that's what smartarse Leo is exactly engaging in in that clip above. He didn't look very smart the day of the election results. His party went from number 1 to number 3 in one election. In any other circumstances you'd expect his head on a block after a failure of that magnitude and indeed the talk was that Leo was to step aside and wouldn't be staying in the politics game longterm as he was expected to grow tired of his vacuous style of photo ops and glib rhetoric. It's amazing that after "losing the election" as FG heads put it themselves that he's still the FG leader and it should be concerning for FG fans that that is the case also; but on here at least it appears you're too busy attacking the main opposition party.
Shefwedfan wrote: » So if that is the case why are SF even part of it? why dont they make a stand for the people of Northern Ireland and not join the elections?https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2017/MANIFESTO_ENGLISH.pdf Funny they have a manifesto and all for the "glorified county council" From the manifesto: There can be no return to the status quo. That means that all parties in government must uphold the principles of respect, power sharing and parity of esteem. Sinn Féin in the power-sharing Executive will exercise our democratic mandate to deliver a new politics, a progressive politics that delivers for all citizens
armaghlad wrote: » You’d really need to direct that to someone in SF, maybe tweet Michelle O’Neill, I’m sure she’ll have plenty of time to respond saying as she and her colleagues are doing nothing. The point of my original post was when you are sharing power with a bunch of actual lunatics (they’d make Gemma O’Doherty blush) then it’s easy for someone to criticise from the sidelines like Leo likes to do.
Odhinn wrote: » I may not have mentioned them (my bad), but I did include them in the possible total number of seats - 60, all told. SF Lab PBP GP SD 37 6 5 12 6
Shefwedfan wrote: » According to some of your SF fans on here the election is now dead and the new agenda is the RedC poll. At the moment FG are at 35% based on that poll......:P:P:P Not a bad return for our Leo Personally I think the poll is rubbish.
BloodyBill wrote: » Fact is most FF and FG people have more in common with the ordinary Unionist voter than the Sinn fein voters. Centre right ,conservative people, salt of the earth. The DUP arent the bigots or headbangers Sinn Fein paint them to be. I'd take them over left wing Republicans any day. Leo Varadkar speaks for middle Ireland ,always has really. I dont like how liberal he is and hes not great for us rural dwellers but most middle class people like him calling out the hypocrisy of the left wing bandits.
TheCitizen wrote: » When the Assembly wasn't running you and other FG fans attacked them for the assembly not running, now you're attacking them for taking part in it. :pac: The attacks on Sinn Féin though if anything appear to be having the affect of galvanising and growing their support. It went into overdrive the week prior to the election and we heard the usual rhetoric that SF never perform as well in the actual election as they poll prior to it. This time the opposite was the case, despite a concerted frenzied attack from the mainstream media dragging up old stories from decades ago on behalf of FF and FG, SF outperformed their polling predictions. This government cycle is going to be fun. FFG will spend all their energy and focus angrily attacking SF while SF grow in opposition and outflank the two of them. And this thread is some laugh, come back in 6 months time and posters like you will still be sitting their spouting vitriol. You're worried about SF leading opposition and growing in that space. You should be and hence the vitriol continues..........
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You know and I know SF's tactic is as simple as this wait until the older/better educated age demographic of the electorate dies off. So they can rise in polls as the newer generation are too naive to see through the party. A generation who do they know of/remember the multitude of SF duplicity and double talk - in the matter of life and death. And more importantly human decency
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Well I didn't see Leo walk out in the clip and behave in a highly unorthodox manner disrupting the house. Plus he made some very vaild points that obviously cut too close to the bone for Mary Lou - so she decided to try and shout him down and create a diversion.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You know and I know SF's tactic is as simple as this wait until the older/better educated age demographic of the electorate dies off. So they can rise in polls as the newer generation are too naive to see through the party. A generation who do they know of/remember the multitude of SF duplicity and double talk - in the matter of life and death. And more importantly human decency.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is interesting that in spite of all of the things Aengus Ó Snodaigh has done in the recent past or being associated with:https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hqpNZFql7igJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/gardai-found-sf-posters-stun-gun-in-car-1.411391+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie He topped the poll in Clondalkin. It speaks volumes to me of the certain 'type' of voter SF still need to seek out in those working class areas.
blackwhite wrote: » Well done at completely misrepresenting the point. Odhinn dishonestly omitted the Greens to try and claim that SF couldn’t form a Govt without FF or FG. It’s says it all about the mindset of the SF cheerleaders that the abject failure of SF to win over the rest of the left is somehow the fault of FF or FG. IMO no one will ultimately be able to form a Govt from the Feb election results. FF and FG should responsibility for their own failure to win over partners, just as SF should take responsibility for their own failure to win over potential partners. Bolloxology of trying to blame other parties for SF’s own failure to win over partners just sums up the cult-like idiocy that plagues SF supporters. Isn’t it you that always goes on about politics not being about “teams”? Seems you’re very keen (as always) to shout down anyone who dares point a hint of criticism at SF. At least the hypocrisy is consistent :rolleyes:
They were there to be courted by any party serious about tying to form a Govt - yet somehow it’s the fault of FF or FG that Sinn Fein are too toxic to even win over other left wing parties?
Shefwedfan wrote: » Im not a FG supporter
Shefwedfan wrote: » Its not an attack, it is a question. It show their credentials for running for governement in Ireland. Maybe you could answer it?
TheCitizen wrote: » You're not an FG supporter? You said earlier that you were, oh and you voted Greens and Soc Dems lower down the ballot paper wasn't that you?
TheCitizen wrote: » It is an attack, but keep it coming. The Northern Ireland Assembly is not the same as the Dail, it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges, you know that but it fits into your vitriolic attack to pretend otherwise. But carry on by all means, keep it coming..........
armaghlad wrote: » Yes I’m sure the good people of Ballygobackwards would be excellent bedfellows of the DUP, they could yell at the clouds together
TheCitizen wrote: » :pac: What is this guy on? SF aren't painting the DUP as bigots and headbangers, they don't need to and in fact they have to try to work with them. The DUP do that all by themselves. What's this about left wing bandits? You would take the DUP over Republicans any day? Most FF and FG people have more in common with Unionists than SF voters? What alternate universe do you inhabit? FF and FG are opponents of SF, they used to be opponents of each other. They will remain opponents of SF until such time that one of them goes into government with SF like they are doing by going into government with each other just now.
markodaly wrote: » So killing people was in the name of 'Democracy' even though the Provos had no democratic mandate. Brilliant, just brilliant!
Shefwedfan wrote: » Wrong person....
Shefwedfan wrote: » If it is not, then why a manifesto? you can read it and I attached the link. It goes into details on what SF proposed to do
McMurphy wrote: » Gormdub went days and days arguing and advocating his full support for FG to try and shoehorn in an official state commemoration for the Black and Tans** - and he now wants to stereotype "certain types of voters". You literally couldn't make the hypocrisy up. **Which is now "deferred" wonder if the proposed United Island Unit will approve of it?
BloodyBill wrote: » Seriously it comes as a shock to you that centre right Southern voters have more in common with ordinary Unionists than with left wing Socialist Republicans.
TheCitizen wrote: » Who do you support? They set out what they want to do but they don't have full control in the North and the assembly doesn't have the powers that the Dail has for example. You must know this, but you're still trying to pretend otherwise. You're either being extremely ignorant or deliberately disingenuous.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It not hyocisy the comemoration was done on the basis of peace and the RIC since it's foundaion back in the 1800's. As I have already sated Eammon Ceannt's father was an officer in the RIC for instance was he a Tan? It is typical of the SF 'republican washing' of history - only play up to the bits that suit leaving out the bits that don't. The SF reaction to the RIC commemoration was another one of the reasons that pushed me towards voting FG.
Furthermore, Sinn Féin is reported as being the richest political party in Ireland with approximately 200 staff and over 50 properties in its possession, according to the party’s finance director Des Mackin
markodaly wrote: » This article is doing the rounds. Worth a read.https://progressivebrief.com/sinn-feins-frustrating-insistence-on-claiming/?fbclid=IwAR0knYG5WxyhQxxtozeiwAIP-0MfJ9sNrIKuSWgU8g7vR1KVQMTfGj1ssZc It is a good disection on modern SF and the fact even though they try and wear their progressive clothes for clever electioneering, they are anything but.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It not hypocrisy the commemoration was done on the basis of peace and inclusiveness - the RIC since it's foundation back in the 1800's. As I have already sated Eammon Ceannt's father was an officer in the RIC (James Kent) for instance was he a Tan? It is typical of the SF 'republican washing' of history - only play up to the bits that suit leaving out the bits that don't. The SF reaction to the RIC commemoration was another one of the reasons that pushed me towards voting FG.
