Geuze wrote: » Non-EU students are mainly in postgrads, I'd say.
alroley wrote: » I have a student that failed every exam until the mocks. She has been working so hard since Feb and even been emailing me for extra work since the schools closed. She completely changed her attitude and would have done well. If I have to use her previous results she won't.
bren2001 wrote: » That would be my experience all right. They will have little to no impact on course availability for the current LC year.
maynooth_rules wrote: » Wellbeing is a word that has almost poisoned every conversation around exams now. Started off with good intentions but now used as an excuse to question anything difficult.
Mardy Bum wrote: » When these students start doing 14 hour days in one of the Big 4s they will have some land.
Notorious wrote: » What about my students whose attendance since fifth year I can count on one and two hands respectively? I don't even know their ability.
km79 wrote: » Big letter in Irish indo from a student calling for leaving cert to be run To protect students mental health ! This is the mess that has been created now
rainbowtrout wrote: » Funny how they weren't printing those kind of letters for the last month or so.
randylonghorn wrote: » There's a lot of truth in that for most courses. Med? ... that will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Sweeping changes to this year's Leaving Cert will allow for predictive grades, while students will need to opt in to sit the exams. The 61,000 students will have to choose and, in the first instance, will be asked whether they want to be assessed via predictive grades, which would be based on their performance in school. But it is understood that candidates who want to sit the traditional exams - and they have a legal right to do so - will be facilitated. A student survey conducted last weekend showed that 79pc of sixth years now support the option of predictive grades, suggesting that a significant majority would take this route. But for anyone who does not want to do that, exams will be held. And if, as expected, the number of candidates were significantly lower, it makes these exams a more feasible prospect in the context of public health restrictions. The Cabinet is expected to be briefed on the alternative arrangements today. Taoiseach Leo Varadkar acknowledged in the Dáil yesterday that the uncertainty over the Leaving Cert was causing "enormous stress" and said he wanted to bring conclusion to the issue this week, which suggests an announcement will be made after the meeting. Mr Martin asked why had "members of Government talked about starting dates for examinations without any detail on how that can be accomplished?" The expected plans will be a radical departure from the norm. It comes against the backdrop of the challenge of conducting exams for 61,000 students while social distancing protocols and other public health restrictions are in place. Even rescheduling from early June to July 29, as initially proposed in response to the Covid-19 threat, offers no guarantee that a written examination could go ahead safely. The ongoing uncertainty has driven up student stress levels and forced the move this week to open up discussions on other options, including predictive grading. Surveys by the Irish Second-Level Students' Union (ISSU) show a big jump in support among sixth years for cancellation of the exams and the use of predictive grading. It was up to 79pc this week, compared with 58pc a month ago. He was responding to Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin who said "the position regarding the Leaving Cert is unacceptable". Intensive discussions on the alternative arrangements continued yesterday, with a major focus on developing a system of predictive grading, which would win the trust of students. Achieving fairness is paramount, with inconsistencies between schools in terms of measuring student performance. Account would also have to be taken of the varying socioeconomic circumstances of different school communities and how that affects pupil attainment. It is understood one approach under active consideration would involve a mix of student grades in a selection of house exams along with their overall ranking against their peers in the same school. The ISSU told Education Minister Joe McHugh this week that a predictive grading system must ensure fairness and equity.
Daisy 55 wrote: » This is my first post on this thread 5) The real fear seems to be is that a teacher will not be honest in giving an honest predictive grade. School principals will have to step up to the mark here and question/ ask for proof of submitted grades. My fear is that grades would be overinflated by some teachers in wanting to make themselves look good. However a good principal would see a grade that seems not in line with other grades or with Christmas/ summer/ pre grades and ask for proof of submitted grades. If the minister said that this would occur then I would predict that each teacher should be able to estimate to within 5% the actual grade a student should get. 6) Each teacher should submit there grade to the principal/ dept of Ed. and when all grades are submitted an overall points is awarded to a student. The student will not be told what grade is given in any subject, this will/ should prevent them claiming bias against any teacher. 7) If a student gets say 400 points in this system then I would give a 5% leeway ( or 10%) ie 20 points in a ousts even they apply for, so if their 1st choice is 415 then I would deem them eligible for the course. 8) If after a year/ semester that it is seen that they are not capable for the course then they should be allowed free of charge to change to a course on their CAO that has a max points of 400. .
rainbowtrout wrote: » From this morning's Indo: I have to say, I really resent learning about the outcome of all of this from the Indo rather than the Dept of Education but here we are.
Rosita wrote: » Obviously the group that was meeting for these discussions was leakier than a sieve. I suppose it is a weakness of a body like the Dept of Ed that they just don't move quickly enough in a 24/7 news cycle environment to prevent this.
randylonghorn wrote: » Or it suits them to leak so they can gauge reaction before making an official statement? Seriously, I can hear Sir Humphrey Appleby in my dreams these days ...
RealJohn wrote: » Well, I don't know what you're hearing in your dreams, in fairness, but the other bit.
Bobtheman wrote: » I really thought it possible to run the exams. Except for the big three subjects you'd have small enough numbers. It could easily be arranged to have ten kids per room About 10% of our school have readers etc I think they gave into pressure. Not impressed with the decision. Thankfully I have a small LC ordinary class. Most did sweet **** all most of the year or got aggressive if you challenged them on it so not going to lose sleep on them.
Bobtheman wrote: » Thankfully I have a small LC ordinary class. Most did sweet **** all most of the year or got aggressive if you challenged them on it so not going to lose sleep on them.
km79 wrote: » We don’t know the full decision yet We may still be back in for July yet who knows to accomodate the students who now see the reality of what they “wanted “
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » What a shambles. I wonder about the students I teach one evening a week. There's no Maths teacher and I take them during evening study for 2 hours. Not a hope I will be getting involved. But who will be??
randylonghorn wrote: » Honestly km, and it's just gut tbh, but I don't really believe the majority wanted this. The loudest shouters yes ... The ones who will pontificate in ISSU, and in Uni SU, and gear themselves up towards politics w/o giving a flying fk who they walk on ... yeah! But them's a ... special ... breed, man!
