Bishop of hope wrote: » Well I'd say you're being conned again. One thing I learned about politics, its not what you want to do in it, its what you can do realistically, but if you can convince people that you can do what you say then you can get elected. Very few ever achieve it. Given the situation we find ourselves in right now I don't believe SF have the experience or the capabilities of getting us back on a good economic footing, I think they realise that too and are happy to sit back and wait till the hard decisions are made, the unpopular ones. Then maybe when a bit of a semblance of balance returns., when the unpopular hard choices are made and people are starting to get greedy again, they can ride in on a wave of Populist bull**** again and save us from the bastards that saved us
McMurphy wrote: » I gave an analysis on how FGs election results have been since 2011 - from needing labour to prop them up - to needing FF to allow them to govern - to both FG and FF combined needing a smaller party and some independents to get on board to make a government possible. Meanwhile the shinners have went from 2011 - 14 seats (previously 4) +175% 2016 - 23 seats +72% 2020 - 37 seats +60% So from 2011 the shinners have went from 14 seats to 37 an increase of 164% FG on the other hand have went from 76 seats to 35. A decrease of 54%. River in Africa comes to mind.
Mortelaro wrote: » You omitted 2 crucial points,I wonder why... Last summers disastrous SF council elections and that the last Dail majority received by a party in Ireland was 43 years ago
FrancieBrady wrote: » One thing is certain, it is FF/FG and one parachute, clinging to each other afraid to let go, in case the other one is wearing the good parachute.
McMurphy wrote: » You want me to make the exact same post I did last time when I was asked about this by yourself You think I've changed my mind in a week? :pac:
FrancieBrady wrote: » On the original topic of the thread - The Minister For Education, have we ever had a more dithering/do nothing one? The absolute torture and unnecessary stress he is putting students under after a 5 or 6 year cycle is a disgrace at this stage. No decision is going to be the right one for everyone, it is long past time he got off the pot and did his job. Why can he not make a decision on this? Is he afraid of being unpopular?
aido79 wrote: » Maybe because it's actually a very difficult to decision to make and one that would may change how the leaving cert and Cao application system is done from this year on. It's not simply just a matter of will the exams go ahead or not. There were almost 3000 appeals last year. Can you imagine how many there might be if a change is done to how the exams are done? And that's without even considering appeals from other years where a student might have done better in the mocks than the real exam. It's not about popularity. It's about making a decision for the best outcome.
Mortelaro wrote: » Yes it reminds me of the testing 'furore' If you were waiting for one you isolate for 2 weeks If you're sympathetic you go to the gp or hospital That covered transmission bases Similar with the leaving We know it's being delayed at least So continue studying Decision's need time to be got rightMy solution would be though to have all students go into isolation after their exams are finished and police that via random Garda visits
Wanderer78 wrote: » or maybe just dont bother with the exams, and go on the students work over the last year or two
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why does dithering on it make it easier? His job is to make decisions. Nothing is going to change the permutations/issues, they are a given here, and everyone in education knows what they are.
aido79 wrote: » The permutations/issues can change. Why do you say they are a given? The figures are dynamic and dependent on actions taken by the public in the next few months. That's exactly why making a decision would be difficult. How can they predict what the level of community transmissions will be when the exams are proposed to start on July 29th?
Mortelaro wrote: » Problem with that is,as one college student told me yesterday, if they went on his mock results,he wouldn't be in college
FrancieBrady wrote: » There is a plan to come out of lockdown...how did they arrive at the decisions on that? .
FrancieBrady wrote: » There is a plan to come out of lockdown...how did they arrive at the decisions on that? Students are in limbo at a critical juncture in their lives. They need clarity not dithering and rumour after rumour. A decision is going to be unpopular with somebody but they won't make it.
efanton wrote: » how do you mean it doesn't make sense? If the coalition fails and FF disintegrate, how is it going to be possible for FG to join ANY coalition let alone go solo and form a government with a few indy's to make up the numbers. With a FF party falling apart if a coalition is not formed where do you think those votes are going to go? The recent opinion poll gave FG a bit of a bounce, it didnt put them leagues ahead of every other party. It had the Green down 2% and FF down 4% with SF getting a modest increase of 3%. The reality is FG need FF as much as FF currently needs FG. If FF nosedived in a repeat election FG will not be in government and neither would FF.https://www.redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/423820-SBP-29-March-2020-Poll-Report.pdf
aido79 wrote: » The plan to come out of lockdown is outlined in stages which can be reversed at any time if the numbers start to rise. If they make a decision on the leaving cert it would be more or less set in stone and difficult to change the dates. Do you see the difference? Personally I agree with you that they need to make a decision on it but I can see the other side of the argument too and how it would be a difficult decision with a lot of possible knock on effects.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The parameters affecting a decision have not changed, the knock on effects have been teased out to exhaustion. It is the Minister's job to know these issues much much better than anyone. A 'decision' has to be made, and that in itself has been known since this started. Excuses about it being 'set in stone' are just that, excuses. If the situation changes radically it can be looked at again as an 'emergency'. When 'lockdown' came...no event in Ireland was immune to cancellation or postponement.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The parameters affecting a decision have not changed, the knock on effects have been teased out to exhaustion.
aido79 wrote: » How have the parameters not changed? They change with the rate of infection. A lot can happen between now and the end of July. Thousands of people going back to work and other activities could send us back to square one or worse for all we know. It's easy to say make a decision and set a date but wouldn't setting a date and then having to change it again be the same if not worse for the students?
McMurphy wrote: » I gave an analysis on how FGs election results have been since 2011 - from needing labour to prop them up - to needing FF to allow them to govern - to both FG and FF combined needing a smaller party and some independents to get on board to make a government possible.
River in Africa comes to mind.
Deleted User wrote: » Before x-mas....noone outside leinster house buys what they were upto as anything other than being in governement together
FrancieBrady wrote: » If this ^ is what is affecting a decision being made...it might NEVER be made. No decision need to be 'set in stone'. Everybody understands that public health is the priority. The general populace understand this about the 'plan' that does exist, students need not be treated any differently. Dithering is helping nobody.
aido79 wrote: » I'll let you in on something else...it's affecting the reopening of thousands of businesses including pubs and shops around the country. Lots of difficult decisions to be made.
aido79 wrote: » This is exactly why part of me would like to see SF go into government and now is the best time for that to happen when the country will be on its knees after the fallout of covid19. Throw them in at the deep end and see if they sink or swim. I'd be very interested to see how differently they would do things compared to what the government done in the last recession. I'm not ready to emigrate again but by the time SF had their way for a couple of years I most definitely would be.
Deleted User wrote: » And frankly many view as insulting their intelligence,
FrancieBrady wrote: » Students are in limbo at a critical juncture in their lives. They need clarity not dithering and rumour after rumour. A decision is going to be unpopular with somebody but they won't make it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Dithering is helping nobody.
markodaly wrote: » What are they doing in the North Francie? :P
markodaly wrote: » Their vote is an alliance of the left-wing Republican 'up da ra' types, right-wing 'up da ra' nationalists, economic populists and the new 'anyone but FF and FG' types, who have yet to see what SF are really about, but they will see soon enough. The issue is, once they actually go into power, they won't be able to blame the DUP, Westminister or anyone else for the decisions they took or are unable to take. Unless of course, they go after the EU, which I can see them doing by trying to deflect criticism. 'We can spend X billion on housing because the EU rules wont let us' That will be like a war cry for the nativist, Gemma o'Doherty types and there you have it, Irelands very own version of UKIP and the Front Nationale are born. Thus the new political split for the next generation is done.
