randylonghorn wrote: » Another good argument against that option ... And even at that, Joe, achieved in the UK found only a 16% accuracy. I could easily see them trying to get the (new) 6th and 3rd years back as near to normal dates as possible, and maybe delaying the other years a couple of weeks, even if things are fairly under control C-19 wise. With a lot of teachers involved in correcting LC, assuming current plan sticks, it would ease the pressure a fair bit.
Rosita wrote: » The surgeon said that an exam should be held - no more than that. Easy words, but no explanation of how it might work or what the state of play is likely to be in August. You make it sound like the surgeon won a debate using wonderfully fleshed out arguments. He didn't. He idealised it and said there should be an exam. Of course there should but things are a bit tricky. And if the exams can't happen you'll be grappling with predictive results whether you want to or not. Byrne called for the cancellation of the JC three weeks before it happened. You can expect him to double his money shortly.
km79 wrote: » What’s the gist of it
Shn99 wrote: » Now a video spreading like wildfire on twitter which shows an apparent stakeholders zoom meeting being leaked. Students will have 0 motivation
mtoutlemonde wrote: » Yeah there was an awful lot of waffle last night from Thomas Byrne last night on the Tonight Show - using previous results, predictive grading - I was embarrassed at his lack of intelligence. God help us if he is our Minister of Education. Thankfully, the ophthalmic surgeon put him in his place. I.
Treppen wrote: » Joe Duffy today was 100% predictive grading.
joe40 wrote: » I teach in the north and we are using predictive testing. The difference is most subjects have module results to work from. These are not mocks but actual exams set and examined by exam board's which form part of the final grade. For example for my GCSE students they have already completed exams last year which are worth 33% of their final mark. This is significant evidence to work from and much more reliable than class tests. Without module exam results I have no idea how predicting marks could be done with fairness and accuracy.
Rosita wrote: » The exit from the lockdown spoke of schools opening in September on a phased basis. There wasn't much reaction to that but it was in there. So this will be a start of year like no other anyway. I'd say if they could get the LC sat they'd happily take the hit on starting school back a few weeks later. Okay, maybe not 'happily' - you're obviously right that it'd be disruptive but still it could be done.
Dylan94 wrote: » This is what I am worried about. I give students very difficult exams and often mark quite harshly. We also were not nearly finished the course when they done their mocks. Many of my students failed the mock exam (that I corrected). But I know that they would have done much better in the real exam. There is one student that I would be very confident that they would achieve an H1, who if we were to use the data already held would result in him getting maybe H5
Mardy Bum wrote: » The principals in the RTE article who came out in support of predictive grading on the basis that there are lots of results in schools from previous exams should be made do an M.Ed in Assessment. The utter ignorance of those with the most power in schools in relation to assessment as well as teaching and learning in general is telling.
km79 wrote: » Less hassle for them trying to arrange exam centres for large numbers whilst social distancing etc It was telling when Colm o Rourke came out in support of dual option so quickly
Rosita wrote: » Why wouldn't numbers be dropping with most people staying at home most of the time, widespread social distancing, and an inability to do the level of testing that they've promised? If levels weren't dropping it'd be astonishing. In fact the slowness of the drop is difficult to explain. But people saying that 29 July is the only show in town is quite another matter. There are still lots of opinions and this is still well up for grabs I reckon.
rainbowtrout wrote: » As it should be, and as it was when it was announced on Good Friday. Now if the Indo and the Times could stop printing shite about predicted grades the world would be a much better place.
rainbowtrout wrote: » The number of new cases is dropping every day. The numbers were in the 200s in three of the last five days. I would expect it to dip below 200 by the end of this week or at least sometime next week. If numbers continue to fall to minimal levels then there is no reason (aside from logistics) that the exams can't run.
Rosita wrote: » I wouldn't reach much into that. July 29th will be the default position until it isn't. In the same way that there were definitely no plans to close the schools until they did. Her piece on the RTÉ website published about an hour ago was far more equivocal about the prospects.
joe40 wrote: » This is just a thought, but something I'm curious about. Presumably pupils themselves apply for courses that they would consider to be "within reach" based on previous year results so there is a certain amount of self selection. I wonder if every pupil was just awarded their 1st or 2nd CAO choice, what would the figures be like. Basically how over subscribed are courses every year?Would it be possible make the places available as a once off.For highly subscribed courses like medicine,. Interviews could be used. This is already part of the selection process in UK colleges.
ethical wrote: » I imagine that there will be more places available in 3rd level this year for Irish students due to the fact that overseas students will be less due to the pandemic.
mirrorwall14 wrote: » As per the mod comment in the first post of the thread its about the state exams. I don't think the junior cert was cancelled at the time it was started
Purefrank128 wrote: » This thread is called "Deferred State Exams". The JC has not been deferred, it has been cancelled. That is why people took you to mean LC, also the fact that everyone else is posting about the potential use of house exams to generate a grade for LC students. Thanks for clearing things up. I'm glad you were referring to JC, not LC. Schools should do whatever they think is best to assess their third years. Also with first years, second years, fifth years. Maybe you need another thread for that.
mtoutlemonde wrote: » Emma O'Kelly on one o clock news, exams are to go ahead as planned. Today's meeting is discussing running of exams, transportation etc.
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Calm down yourself. That was for our junior certs. I forgot like one word in the post which I would have thought have been a given since I was mentioning summer assessments. Clearly it wasn't LCs since their current plan is to go ahead
pandoraj09 wrote: » I heard on Pat Kenny just there that Colm Cregan, an Inspector in the DES, has come up with a formula that could be used to arrive at a grade for students. Think its using 5th year Xmas and Summer grade, Mocks in 6th year with some mention of project work, I didn't hear it all. Of course it wouldn't suit those just repeating one or two subjects. I've an adult repeating Irish for Primary teaching, many years out of school. Her only option would be to wait until next year, unless there was also the option of sitting a Leaving Cert exam.
