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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

notobtuse

With Nancy Pelosi’s Schiff Show Sham of an impeachment over (well, all but over, anyway) time to turn to the US presidential election.

So, who is left:

Donald Trump (R): You wanted change, you got change... Trump change!

Joe Biden (D): Distracted by shiny objects!
Bernie Sanders (I - running as a D, what's up with that?): On a scale of Mao to Stalin, how bad would a president Bernie be?
Elizabeth Warren (D): Little Chief Gonna Spend A Lot.
Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D): Portrait of a young bull$hit artist.
Andrew Yang : Vote for me and I’ll give you $12,000.
Mike Bloomberg (?): Who says you can’t buy an election?
Tulsi Gabbard (D): I guess it’s true you never piss off the Clintons.
Amy Klobuchar (D) and the rest of the also-rans: Who?

And then there’s Hillary Clinton (Witch), waiting in the wings for a contested convention so her superdelegates buddies can hand her the nomination: Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire!

Personally, when Pelosi, who had to impeach Trump immediately because he was such a threat to the nation, and then waited a month to walk the articles of impeachment in a stupid procession over to the Senate... it was like she was walking with Trump’s reelection papers.

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notobtuse

Seems Congressman Adam Schiff feels COVID-19 deaths here are 'Casualties' of his failure to remove Trump in the impeachment process. I hope nobody tells Shiff, as it would break his heart, but it is far more likely that removing Trump would have endangered more Americans in the crisis.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Did to mean to tag someone else? I've always said FoxNews is biased to the Right on their Opinion Shows.

So just to be clear all media on both side are hypocrites. So when you quote any right wing publications we should take it with a pinch of salt. Got it

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

In all seriousness, know a couple of people affected by lupus and arthritis who were prescribed hydroxychloroquine to treat. They're currently waiting 3 weeks for a resupply of it as there's currently shortages as a result of stupid statements from Trump. I deal with a chronic illness myself and being without meds is terrifying tbh.

Three weeks wait versus people who have avoided death from COVID-19. And you think the wait is the bigger concern?

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Seems Congressman Adam Schiff feels COVID-19 deaths here are 'Casualties' of his failure to remove Trump in the impeachment process. I hope nobody tells Shiff, as it would break his heart, but it is far more likely that removing Trump would have endangered more Americans in the crisis.

Why? Because the adults would have taken back control of running the country?

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

So just to be clear all media on both side are hypocrites. So when you quote any right wing publications we should take it with a pinch of salt. Got it

I doubt you take anything from a right wing publication with a pinch of salt. A mandate from the devil seems more like it.

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

Why? Because the adults would have taken back control of running the country?

No, because Hillary would probably still be blaming the coronavirus on a right wing conspiracy.

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

Oh, I'll be voting Trump again. No convincing necessary. And odd, but you call it a train crash, yet seem drawn like a bee to pollen. Must either be my golden aura or the enlightenment of learning new things.

Negative, you have largely been ignored by me of late.

You are literally just a regurgitation of Hannity talking points.

It's just simply boring.

[Deleted User]

notobtuse wrote: »

Three weeks wait versus people who have avoided death from COVID-19. And you think the wait is the bigger concern?

I have a chronic illness, if I were to go without medication. It has the potential to result in my digestive system developing a load of ulcers and there's a high risk of surgery.

In the case of lupus or arthritis, a flare up can also cause long term damage.(Joint damage for arthritis or in the case of lupus, kidney damage) In addition to that, both conditions tend to relate to immune systems so their illnesses flaring puts them at further risk of contracting covid-19.

Meanwhile, there's no indication that hydroxychloroquine is actually beneficial for those with covid-19. It was just a proclamation from the president in an effort to seem as if he had a handle on the situation.

So a person with a chronic illness going off meds is dangerous and can cause long term damage.

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

Negative, you have largely been ignored by me of late.

You are literally just a regurgitation of Hannity talking points.

It's just simply boring.

This may come as a shock to you, but nobody is forcing to read what I post.

weisses

notobtuse wrote: »

Oh, I'll be voting Trump again. No convincing necessary. And odd, but you call it a train crash,

everybody with a function brain does

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a chronic illness, if I were to go without medication. It has the potential to result in my digestive system developing a load of ulcers and there's a high risk of surgery.

In the case of lupus or arthritis, a flare up can also cause long term damage.(Joint damage for arthritis or in the case of lupus, kidney damage) In addition to that, both conditions tend to relate to immune systems so their illnesses flaring puts them at further risk of contracting covid-19.

Meanwhile, there's no indication that hydroxychloroquine is actually beneficial for those with covid-19. It was just a proclamation from the president in an effort to seem as if he had a handle on the situation.

So a person with a chronic illness going off meds is dangerous and can cause long term damage.

I have seen plenty of indications it has helped people from dying from the COVID-19. My body is loaded with arthritis from playing many types of sports in my younger days and a broken neck. I also have a depleted immune system from cancer treatment. Plus chronic lung disease and high blood pressure. If I have to wait three weeks for any of my medications because they could be used to save someone’s life... I say I can wait.

weisses

notobtuse wrote: »

No, because Hillary would probably still be blaming the coronavirus on a right wing conspiracy.

Wasnt she the one running that pizza place ??

MeMen2_MoRi_

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

When did an opinion become a "report", or did you just jump the gun on this? As we you've said now, it's only an opinion from a republican strategist.

The lunacy that comes from your posts about the Dems/biden/senile/Cuomo/Clinton/Obama etc is just that, lunacy. All opinions from you're media handmaiden's. Some would call it conspiracy theories, I've said previously, I find that the hand ringing you're doing around the Ms Reade sexual assault is all on the media being quite, if the Dems were as desperate as the conspiracy theories you regurgitate from your media circle proport them to be, why aren't they jumping on this to get Biden out of the way, it's prefect cover to conspire against uncle Joe.

Clearly a hard question to answer, giving it an obtuse birth notobtuse..

amdublin

notobtuse wrote: »

I have seen plenty of indications it has helped people from dying from the COVID-19. My body is loaded with arthritis from playing many types of sports in my younger days and a broken neck. I also have a depleted immune system from cancer treatment. Plus chronic lung disease and high blood pressure. If I have to wait three weeks for any of my medications because they could be used to save someone’s life... I say I can wait.

Umm excuse me Sir, you are going off script here. Don't you know that your dear leader is not talking about hydroxychloroquine any more*.

The latest is disinfectant, maybe like injecting disinfectant into the body, doing a number on the lungs.

*because it was shown that it did not work

notobtuse

weisses wrote: »

Wasnt she the one running that pizza place ??

The Pizzagate conspiracy was bogus from the start. Although we do have to commend her for creating the saying... In Crust We Trust.

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

This may come as a shock to you, but nobody is forcing to read what I post.

I never claimed they were.

But on the flip side of that is no one is forcing you post ad nauseam either.

Conspiracy theories and constant defending of the imbecilic orange man is like I said at this stage just simply boring.

Much like Trump himself really.

notobtuse

amdublin wrote: »

Umm excuse me Sir, you are going off script here. Don't you know that your dear leader is not talking about hydroxychloroquine any more*.

The latest is disinfectant, maybe like injecting disinfectant into the body, doing a number on the lungs.

*because it was shown that it did not work

Who cares. I'm talking about hydroxychloroquine as I've seen where people have sworn taking it saved their lives from the coronavirus.

If I acquire COVID-19 I would ask my doctor to put me on Remdesivir or Hydroxychloroquine. But I’m surrrre if you got COVID-19 you’d tell your doctor you want nothing to do with any drug Trump says might work.

The best was when Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer (certifiable Trump hater) had a letter sent out threatening "administrative action" against doctors who prescribed hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine that could potentially help coronavirus patients. Two weeks later she was asking the federal government to send shipments of those drugs to her state. Seems Trump Derangement Syndrome can also kill.

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

I never claimed they were.

But on the flip side of that is no one is forcing you post ad nauseam either.

Conspiracy theories and constant defending of the imbecilic orange man is like I said at this stage just simply boring.

Much like Trump himself really.

I'm not complaining about my posting.

Have you heard about the 'ignore' feature?

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

I doubt you take anything from a right wing publication with a pinch of salt. A mandate from the devil seems more like it.

I’m referring to you using right wing articles as references, you expect nobody to pay attention to their hypocrisy. Understood

amdublin

notobtuse wrote: »

Who cares. I'm talking about hydroxychloroquine as I've seen where people have sworn taking it saved their lives from the coronavirus.

If I acquire COVID-19 I would ask my doctor to put me on Remdesivir or Hydroxychloroquine. But I’m surrrre if you got COVID-19 you’d tell your doctor you want nothing to do with any drug Trump says might work.

The best was when Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer (certifiable Trump hater) had a letter sent out threatening "administrative action" against doctors who prescribed hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine that could potentially help coronavirus patients. Two weeks later she was asking the federal government to send shipments of those drugs to her state. Seems Trump Derangement Syndrome can also kill.

(a) When you use that phrase Trump Derangement Syndrome, I read it as referring to you/posters like yourself :pac: Just an fyi!

(b) I tend to let my doctors (the people who have studied science and medicine) make decisions about my medical treatment. I certainly do not let idiots (that would be Trump) guide me, based on feelings and anecdotes.

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

I’m referring to you using right wing articles as references, you expect nobody to pay attention to their hypocrisy. Understood

I'd hope people here would deal with the content more than the identity. Perhaps that is hoping for too much.

notobtuse

amdublin wrote: »

(a) When you use that phrase Trump Derangement Syndrome, I read it as referring to you/posters like yourself :pac: Just an fyi!

(b) I tend to let my doctors (the people who have studied science and medicine) make decisions about my medical treatment. I certainly do not let idiots (that would be Trump) guide me, based on feelings and anecdotes.

I've no doubt you'd turn the term around around to mean the exact opposite of what it was developed to mean. Twist and shout isn't just a song, I guess.

And if your doctor recommends the same treatment Trump has indicated has promise?

[Deleted User]

notobtuse wrote: »

I've no doubt you'd turn the term around around to mean the exact opposite of what it was developed to mean. Twist and shout isn't just a song, I guess.

And if your doctor recommends the same treatment Trump has indicated has promise?

The treatment the president was recommending was unproven. It is still not proven to be of benefit. These are the facts. His raving about it has only resulted in a shortage of the drug for people who actively benefit from it.

2u2me

duploelabs wrote: »

It's political rubbernecking.

I would call it sharing an opinion.

At least notobtuse doesn't come across as mean, petty, spiteful or condescending. If one can't argue with a reasonable person what hope does one have.

astrofool

notobtuse wrote: »

If I acquire COVID-19 I would ask my doctor to put me on Remdesivir or Hydroxychloroquine. But I’m surrrre if you got COVID-19 you’d tell your doctor you want nothing to do with any drug Trump says might work.

Remdesivir maybe, looks promising so far, hydroxychloroquine definitely not, not even looking promising at the moment, has nasty side effects, and the result of him wanting COVID-19 to disappear ("like a miracle"), man has to be the stupidest president yet (at least GW knew his limitations and let Cheney run the show).

amdublin

notobtuse wrote: »

I've no doubt you'd turn the term around around to mean the exact opposite of what it was developed to mean. Twist and shout isn't just a song, I guess.

And if your doctor recommends the same treatment Trump has indicated has promise?

Well excuuuuusee me for my brain not interpreting something the way you wanted me to.

I never heard of it before you posted it. I just googled it now. I see from the wiki page that there is a risk that although it was "coined" to be what you want it to be, there is a risk it means/is interpreted the other way. Well, sorreeee I guess it just happened with me.

My answer doesn't change: I'm totally happy to follow what my doctor advises, on the basis of their medical knowledge and the scientific evidence. I'm not happy to follow someone if their advice is based on the advice of a deranged lunatic's "feeling" or "what they've heard".

jibber5000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The treatment the president was recommending was unproven. It is still not proven to be of benefit. These are the facts. His raving about it has only resulted in a shortage of the drug for people who actively benefit from it.

Been discussed on here previously.

A) The treatment whilst unproven, is still recommended in hospital patients by leading doctors fighting coronavirus worldwide. You will be prescribed it in Ireland if you are in hospital. Whether you want to refuse it will be up to you.

https://reachmd.com/programs/cme/covid-19-interim-guidance-management-pending-empirical-evidence-american-thoracic-society/11408/

The apparent shortages for existing patients make no sense. Ie in America there should be approx 1 million patients taking it every day for existing conditions. An extra 20-25,000 taking it per day should not cause any stress on the supply chain.

MeMen2_MoRi_

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rick-bright-complaint-read-coronavirus-whistleblower-trump-hydroxychloroquine-a9500586.html

Trump bull**** 101..

"Dr Rick Bright, who led the office overseeing the development of a vaccine, says officials launched a “baseless smear campaign” against him and levelled “demonstrably false allegations about his performance in an attempt to justify what was clearly a retaliatory demotion” following his opposition to the broad use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine."

"Food and Drug Administration later warned against using, lacked “scientific merit” while the administration pushed to “flood” parts of the US with drugs “imported from factories in Pakistan and India that had not been inspected by the FDA”, the complaint says."

"Ignored by the White House, Dr Bright felt an urgency to “inform the American public that there was insufficient scientific data to support the use of these drugs for Covid-19 patients” and ”believed that Americans needed to have this critical information available to them to better inform them of the risks before taking the medicine”."

"He “repeatedly clashed” with his boss, Dr Robert Kadlec, HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response, over the “outsized role” of pharmaceutical consultant of John Clerici within the agency, the complaint says. To justify extending funding to a pharmaceutical company, Mr Clerici said the CEO was “a friend of Jared Kushner,” the president’s senior advisor and son-in-law, according to the complaint.

it was clear to Dr Bright almost immediately that the virus was highly contagious, spreading rapidly, and could have a high mortality rate” in the US, according to the complaint.

But he “initially encountered indifference which then developed into hostility” from White House leadership, including the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and its Secretary Alex Azar, the complaint says. He claims he was removed from meetings."

Does any of the above sound familiar from a previous "whistle blower complaint" it's like I've read this kinda treatment from Trump and his cronies somewhere before.

iebamm2580

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11555936/coronavirus-death-rate-britain-millions-infections-german-study/

Look at the graph for deaths per population, usa doing better than most but again people cant stick to facts when it comes to trump. Again i dont like trump especially his rhetoric about bringing pharma back from Ireland among other things such as his input on scientific matters which he clearly hasn't a clue about but the facts dont lie, the us has handled this crisis better the most whether people like it or not.

duploelabs

Is there any peer-reviewed papers that prove the efficacy of HCQ?

Otherwise you'd be better off taking homeopathic sugar pills