ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » How can that happen? I thought once a president serves two terms he can't run again even as VP. If Clinton died as president (not that she'd have any chance of winning) Obama couldn't step in as president then.
notobtuse wrote: » Oh no! Please, no! I’m hearing some reports of the democrats possible Plan B without Biden. Hillary Clinton running as President with VP running mate Barack Obama. Dear gawd... just take me now.
kilns wrote: » Speaking of Media hypocrisy I’m sure you have seen all those Fox News outrage videos about Obama from getting outraged about playing golf to pandering to world dictators. If you didn’t know which side of the fence they said on you would bet your mortgage on it being Trump they are talking about. Now that is hypocrisy in a nut shell. So if you are going to blame some parts of the media for hypocrisy you would do well to include your own dear media in that hypocrisy also.
Brian? wrote: » You know what those “reports” are? Stupid. You should know well that they’re a load of pony. But you post them for some more sensationalism. Barack Obama can’t run as a VP candidate, it isn’t legal. He can’t serve another term as president.
notobtuse wrote: » Yes he can run as a VP candidate. He can't run for President. Harry Truman became president shortly after Roosevelt died early in his fourth term. Truman then won the election for president afterward. He could have run again as he was only elected once for president but chose not to.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » he could run again because he was the incumbent when the 22 amendment was proposed. if the 22 amendment had existed prior to him becoming president then he would not have been eligible. he was wildly unpopular by that stage so he wasnt going to run again anyway.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
notobtuse wrote: » The wording of the 22nd Amendment doesn’t say that no one can be President for more than two terms, it only states that no one can be elected President more than twice. Of course there would be a legal challenge to the interpretation, as Republicans would argue he isn’t eligible to run for president and democrats would argue he is. It would ultimately be decided by the judicial branch (SCOTUS) of the US government. But the courts have consistently ruled in favor of election laws challenges in favor of allowing someone to run, seemingly for the 'good of the people.' And it’s Barack Obama we’re talking about... Not allowing him to run for VP would be considered a racist act. :rolleyes:
notobtuse wrote: » The wording of the 22nd Amendment doesn’t say that no one can be President for more than two terms, it only states that no one can be elected President more than twice.
Brian? wrote: » He isn't running as VP. Not now, not ever. You need to move on and find a new angle of attack.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you need to read the full text. truman served more than 2 years of the term that FDR was elected to. that counts as one term for Truman. His election counts as the second term. You shouldn't need to a foreigner to explain your constitution to you.
After Roosevelt died in 1945, momentum built quickly for a presidential term-limits amendment. But even after the 22nd Amendment was ratified, two Presidents held aspirations of a third term within the amendment’s limitations. Harry Truman was President when the amendment was proposed and ratified, and its language allowed for Truman to run for office in 1952. But a loss in the New Hampshire primary led to Truman’s withdrawal from the race.
notobtuse wrote: » https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-we-wound-up-with-the-constitutions-only-term-limits-amendment
he could run again because he was the incumbent when the 22 amendment was proposed. if the 22 amendment had existed prior to him becoming president then he would not have been eligible. he was wildly unpopular by that stage so he wasnt going to run again anyway.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you are just repeating back what i already told you. can you carify which part of my original reply to you is incorrect?
notobtuse wrote: » Are you saying Truman was or wasn't allowed to run for that second presidential election, when he lost in that early primary, and decided to drop out? If you think he could have run and won a second election for presidency (fulfilling Roosevelt's term, won election, and won a second election... essentially allowing him to be president for almost 12 years), then I guess we both agree.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » i have already said he was allowed to run. twice. you kept disagreeing with me
amdublin wrote: » Sensationalism and distraction abound. - Hilary Clinton is not running - Barack Obama is not running
Joe Biden is the presumed Democrat nominee.
I think the democrat voters are so motivated by "anyone but Trump" and "blue no matter who" that Trump will get beaten this year (royally beaten if you will, considering the title of this thread ahahahahaha). But! There can be no resting on their laurels. Democrats need to get out and vote!
amdublin wrote: » Sensationalism and distraction abound. - Hilary Clinton is not running - Barack Obama is not running Joe Biden is the presumed Democrat nominee. I think the democrat voters are so motivated by "anyone but Trump" and "blue no matter who" that Trump will get beaten this year (royally beaten if you will, considering the title of this thread ahahahahaha). But! There can be no resting on their laurels. Democrats need to get out and vote!
Quin_Dub wrote: » The ONLY places that there are suggestions of Biden being replaced or whatever are from Republican sources designed to make it look like the Democrats are divided. There's not a single Democrat spokesperson or surrogate saying a thing about Biden not running. It's all part of the same playbook the GOP used in 2016.Make claims about the Candidates health (Biden has dementia , Hillary only had months to live - DNC desperately looking for an alternative candidate) Make claims about the Candidates Corruption (Biden & Ukraine , Hillary and the Clinton foundation) Make claims about the Candidates sexual impropriety (Biden and Reade , Hilary and her cover up/support for Bill) The latest one about Clinton and Obama is a comment from a Republican Strategist about a "maybe,possible, outside the box solurtion for a worst case scenario if Biden had to stand down" - Gets a double tick in the playbook checklist as he doesn't clarify if it'll be the alleged Sexual assault or the Dementia that would take Biden out.
Democrats, It’s Time to Consider a Plan B Tara Reade’s allegations against Joe Biden demand action. To preserve the strides made on behalf of victims of sexual assault in the era of #MeToo, and to maximize their chances in November, Democrats need to begin formulating an alternative strategy for 2020 — one that does not include Mr. Biden.
notobtuse wrote: » ..... Democrats were motivated last time by 'anyone but Trump' and 'blue no matter who' but where did that get them? Turn out still was low (Michelle Obama is still insulted over that... how could they do that to Barack and all he had done for those peons!). .......
amdublin wrote: » ???? They were NOT motivated enough clearly (I.e. turnout). Times are VERY different now notobtuse Ps. No idea why/what you are waffling on about the Obamas above
notobtuse wrote: » No idea... perhaps because this is a political discussion regarding the election and the Obama's still try to remain relevant in the matter? The Obama’s are still ticked at the low Democrat turnout in 2016. They still think turnout should have been tremendous because of how Barack attempted to lurch the country to the Left for them and he hand-picked Hillary Clinton to continue his legacy... the one denied him by those terrible Republicans. They can’t get it through their thick skulls that Obama’s massive failures as president turned off many moderate democrats and middle America Dems. Obama is the main culprit for opening the door to a Trump presidency. The Obama’s think the people betrayed them.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » what comments has obama mad about running as vice-president? what comments has he made at all apart from supporting biden?
notobtuse wrote: » ‘Obama mad’… Freudian slip? He hasn't. That doesn't stop strategists and people from discussing it as a viable option.
notobtuse wrote: » No idea... perhaps because this is a political discussion regarding the election and the Obama's still try to remain relevant in the matter? The Obama’s are still ticked at the low Democrat turnout in 2016. They still think turnout should have been tremendous because of how Barack attempted to lurch the country to the Left for them and he hand-picked Hillary Clinton to continue his legacy... the one denied him by those evil Republicans. They can’t get it through their thick skulls that Obama’s massive failures as president turned off many moderate democrats and middle America Dems. Obama is the main culprit for opening the door to a Trump presidency. The Obama’s think the people betrayed them.
amdublin wrote: » Ah would you stop! Nothing the Obama's have said have indicated they "think" that. However, Bush's personal video/statement the other day about coming together sure told us what he thinks of Trump as a leader and Trumps divisive tactics (Spoiler, notobtuse, it ain't good!!)
amdublin wrote: » However, Bush's personal video/statement the other day about coming together sure told us what he thinks of Trump as a leader and Trumps divisive tactics (Spoiler, notobtuse, it ain't good!!)
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