Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: » whatever about dating, one thing I think they got right was regards having kids. I've only one regret about my kids, and that was that I didn't have them sooner (and even then, in my friends group, we were the first to have them, aged 30). One of my friends is having their first now, and the idea of getting up in the middle of the night aged 42 is off putting to say the leat. This is probably going to offend people, but I do wonder if theres a correlation between the (seemingly) increased numbers of kids with Autisim or other conditions and the fact that people seem to be having their kids later in life or the number of couples who increasingly have to turn to fertility treatments to have kids.
Wanderer78 wrote: » the above is a loaded statement, the root causes of long term unemployment are extremely complex, and we ve have decided its best to largely ignore these complexities. the main causes of the rapid rise in the cost of living, and the issues you have outlined, has to do with policies that have been implemented over the last few decades, particularly the encouragement of the rapid rise in asset prices, clearly obvious in the housing sector. there has been also complimenting policies such as the contraction of wage inflation, which is causing the squeezing affect of the squeezed middle.
Leg End Reject wrote: » Being a young parent really only suits those with no real career aspirations, or those content to live on welfare.
Leg End Reject wrote: » You're the one who referred to them as "the lower classes" in a previous post. I never linked welfare recipients to the cost of living either. I stated the reality of young working couples being unable to afford to start a family. Look at the rates of PAYE, PRSI and all the USC bands. Even if a young couple are starting out on €50k between them, they will struggle to save a deposit to buy a home or rent privately. Add up all the other costs and affording children isn't a possibility. There's a reason working couples have fewer children and have them later. I don't know why you seem to be taking this so personally.
morebabies wrote: » It's well known when you hit your thirties and start trying for a baby and maybe experience difficulties. Before that I was never taught it. Not once was it even alluded to. Society is pushing women towards the "you can have it all" mentality, but hit your late thirties with a successful career and decide to have a family then... Biology will often tell you otherwise.
Wanderer78 wrote: » theres many reasons why the cost of living has sky rocketed, causing the issues you have mentioned, and i agree with you, but life isnt as cosy as some think for the lower classes, those stuck on welfare etc
Wanderer78 wrote: » but there is a reason why you mentioned the statement above! there was in fact no need for it, it somewhat implies that you have some sort of grievances for the welfare class, and the rapid rise in the cost of living has little or nothing to do with them anyway
Leg End Reject wrote: » I never said it was cosy, I simply said the a young working couple starting out would find it impossible to secure private housing, pay childcare and all other living expenses early in their working lives.
Leg End Reject wrote: » Seriously, who doesn't know that a woman's fertility decreases at about 35 and the risk of foetal abnormalities increases? That's been well known for years. Not everyone wants a family, most of those that do want financial stability and a secure home before having them. Being a young parent really only suits those with no real career aspirations, or those content to live on welfare.
Leg End Reject wrote: » It's not a dig, but it's very difficult for a young working couple to afford housing, childcare, utilities, groceries etc. early in their working lives when they're on the lower end of their potential salary starting out. There's a reason many leave having children to later in life.
Brian? wrote: » My grandmother legged it to London with another man, leaving 2 kids behind for my grandda to raise in1959. So I’d say no.
Wanderer78 wrote: » really!
Leg End Reject wrote: » Seriously, who doesn't know that a woman's fertility decreases at about 35 and the risk of foetal abnormalities increases? That's been well known for years. Not everyone wants a family, most of those that do want financial stability and a secure home before having them.Being a young parent really only suits those with no real career aspirations, or those content to live on welfare.
eviltwin wrote: » I think women are well aware of how their fertility changes as they get older. I think the issue of older parents is more to do with the reality of modern life. There aren't many 20 something lads desperately looking to settle down and have kids either, women can't do it alone! Even if you do meet someone early it's going to take time to get your ducks in a row so that you can have children. I had my kids young and no one told us well done, fair play settling down and having a family. We were told we were foolish so people can't win. Everyone loves to judge.
morebabies wrote: » I agree with the OP, of course not every marriage back then was perfect, but these days lasting marriages seem to be a rarity. Dating in your early twenties now would normally mean not looking for a future husband or wife which is kind of sad, since on a practical level, marrying later brings with it various health risks and fertility issues for women if couples decide they want children. It may sound anti feminist, but speaking as a woman, I think there's a huge hole in modern health education systems, in that women are not being told that having babies after age 35 brings with it several increased risks to both mothers and babies. I'm not suggesting marrying young for "practical" reasons, but are younger women today aware of the risks of our current dating models? I certainly wasn't, and when I realised the biological reality I faced, I wished I had known sooner. I'm very lucky to have healthy children, but friends of mine have faced expensive IVF journeys while others are now in their forties, wanted to wait to have children, but are now childless and heartbroken that they will never have families.
Church on Tuesday wrote: » I think it is obvious that a lot of the old values are basically gone now; namely loyalty and basic decency and respect.
skooterblue2 wrote: Yes but people put more mature thoughts into who they were marrying. this lead to more stable marriages and less social problems in later life. Most of them inmates in the 'Joy are from broken homes and have histories of alcohol and drug abuse.
