markodaly wrote: » Id say deep down you are delighted that more Irish people are dying than Kiwi's
Mortelaro wrote: » Let's be very clear Constitutionally There is a government in Ireland ,the word care taker is not mentioned in the relevant wording in the constitution However it is a caretaker by convention in the current circumstances with full executive authority though obviously no majority to pass new laws Caretaker convention worldwide is it usually only takes emergency executive decisions prior to the hand over To belittle the process is to belittle our democracy in my humble opinion All that you could need to know in relation to this is available for downloadfrom the oireachtas here
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Yeah because Ireland and New Zealand are the same. With New Zealand having 2000km between them and other countries. That of course wouldn't make any difference.
smurgen wrote: » No more I'm upset we don't have a competent leader willing to make quick decisions for the good of the people instead of Leo the 5th.
markodaly wrote: » I think you need to read the Irish Constitution Francie. There is a government, there must always be a government to carry out executive functions. Don't you like them? Then on Tuesday get the other 125 TD's to nominate a Taoiseach and form another government. It can be done in a few hours id say. Its very simple.
smurgen wrote: » Ouch!
FrancieBrady wrote: » Arrogance or ignorance? They are 'not' in government. They cannot legislate. They are a caretaker executive with very limited functions with unelected Ministers. just because they are trying to dictate and shut out scrutiny and other opinions does not make them a government.
smurgen wrote: » Ouch!https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1257252935177830402?s=19
McMurphy wrote: » Catherine Martin on Friday certainly wasn't giving any indication that she or her party were going to entertain a FFG coalition, her very first sentence questioned the very legitimacy of the two of them entering govt. Listen to the podcast instead of trying to shut down conversation and you will find out exactly what it has to do with FG.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » This is eating you up inside!
[Deleted User] wrote: » The other parties not currently in government have done NOTHING constructive. SF basically went to ground for a few weeks and then came back eventually criticising testing, which objectively we are one of the best tested countries in the world, and of course the old chestnut of an "All Ireland Policy" when it comes to everything under the sun. Not one word from them or any of the rest of them about care homes, where they could have made a real difference. The Greens then still banging on about the climate crisis, when there are right now more important concerns. Tadhg Daly, CEO of Nursing Homes Ireland, was the only one alerting people to this at the time. 6th March : https://nhi.ie/covid-19-coronavirus-nursing-home-care/ 1st April : https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/people-in-residential-care-with-covid-19-should-be-kept-in-homes-crisis-team-says-1.4218071 How many deaths did this cost? All the parties have blood on their hands here. Bizarrely SF oppose opening cemetaries in NI, while they are open here (TO CLARIFY open for bereaved to visit, not for funerals)https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/third-of-ni-coronavirus-related-deaths-occur-in-care-homes-figures-suggest-995910.html
efanton wrote: » It would be hard for anyone to call the result of another election except to say that it almost certainly would not result in a hung Dail. People will recognise that there is a choice to be made, more of the same FF FG type governments that haven't served the country well in the last two decades or try something new and vote accordingly. I would like to think the latter would happen but I certainly would not be absolutely certain of that, but either way at least we would have a government with an elected Taoiseach and broad support of the electorate.
ARTICLE 28 BUNREACHT NA hÉ wrote: » 28 11 1° If the Taoiseach at any time resigns from office the other members of the Government shall be deemed also to have resigned from office, but the Taoiseach and the other members of the Government shall continue to carry on their duties until their successors shall have been appointed. 2° The members of the Government in office at the date of a dissolution of Dáil Éireann shall continue to hold office until their successors shall have been appointed.
markodaly wrote: » as they are still in government
McMurphy wrote: » Catherine Martin on Friday certainly wasn't giving any indication that she or her party were going to entertain a FFG coalition, her very first sentence questioned the very legitimacy of the two of them entering govt. This was aside from Simon Coveney (he of FG) making a statement beforehand that the Greens could basically "forget about it
markodaly wrote: » Yes, its about FG going into opposition. Which at this stage is entirely redundant as they are still in government are pretty much the only party ready to take on the task Yes, that is lovely, so perhaps one should create a 'Government formation' thread. This thread is a bit of a cluster**** to be honest. We have general talk about FG, government formation talk, talk about the Greens, talk about FF, talk about SF and talk about Covid-19 and the caretaker government response to it. Maybe start a new thread then. By the way.... where is the FF thread? We have one for SF, the Greens and FG...
efanton wrote: » No I was right at the time of posting.
He pays his private PR's guy enough money and has a whole government press office at his disposal, you would think they would have published immediately after the speech,
But he did not say that it was an aspiration, he promised to deliver that target and set a date for it to be delivered, despite being advised at the time that it was unrealistic.
Maybe they are having an identity crisis
efanton wrote: » Add to that having to explain why they prevented the country from having an elected government for such a long period of time and why they failed to form a government despite being offered a Unity government solution that bounce would be further reduced.
It would be hard for anyone to call the result of another election except to say that it almost certainly would not result in a hung Dail.
People will recognise that there is a choice to be made, more of the same FF FG type governments that haven't served the country well in the last two decades or try something new and vote accordingly. I would like to think the latter would happen but I certainly would not be absolutely certain of that, but either way at least we would have a government with an elected Taoiseach and broad support of the electorate.
McMurphy wrote: » Did you read the title of the OP mark?
The thread was opened after leo and FG initially suggested that they wanted to go into opposition for the next five years. As time moved on, they then changed their minds and cobbled together with FF to try and form a government, but to do that, they'd have to lure in one of the smaller party's - and last I heard it was the greens they were specifically targeting.
Catherine Martin on Friday certainly wasn't giving any indication that she or her party were going to entertain a FFG coalition, her very first sentence questioned the very legitimacy of the two of them entering govt. This was aside from Simon Coveney (he of FG) making a statement beforehand that the Greens could basically "forget about their 7%"
markodaly wrote: » So, you were wrong. OK No I was right at the time of posting. I asked why haven't the government published? A hour later and a good few hours after Leo's speech it was. He pays his private PR's guy enough money and has a whole government press office at his disposal, you would think they would have published immediately after the speech, I think he has been clear of late that he wants to get to the point where there is capacity to do 100,000 tests per week by the 18th of May, which is two weeks away yet, so perhaps like your earlier rants, lets hold judgement a bit. But he did not say that it was an aspiration, he promised to deliver that target and set a date for it to be delivered, despite being advised at the time that it was unrealistic. Funny, I read that line word for word on one of those looney left facebook pages. I gave you you the link to the article I quoted from the Independent. Maybe they are having an identity crisis Here it is againhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/lengthy-deliberations-sees-cabinet-sign-off-on-101-day-covid-19-recovery-plan-997283.html In a rare move, ministers were not given the advice from the NPHET ahead of time, with priority given to ensuring that the exact details of the document didn’’t leak before the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar could give his address to the nation, which was not followed by questions from the media.
No I was right at the time of posting. I asked why haven't the government published? A hour later and a good few hours after Leo's speech it was. He pays his private PR's guy enough money and has a whole government press office at his disposal, you would think they would have published immediately after the speech, I think he has been clear of late that he wants to get to the point where there is capacity to do 100,000 tests per week by the 18th of May, which is two weeks away yet, so perhaps like your earlier rants, lets hold judgement a bit. But he did not say that it was an aspiration, he promised to deliver that target and set a date for it to be delivered, despite being advised at the time that it was unrealistic. Funny, I read that line word for word on one of those looney left facebook pages. I gave you you the link to the article I quoted from the Independent. Maybe they are having an identity crisis Here it is againhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/lengthy-deliberations-sees-cabinet-sign-off-on-101-day-covid-19-recovery-plan-997283.html In a rare move, ministers were not given the advice from the NPHET ahead of time, with priority given to ensuring that the exact details of the document didn’’t leak before the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar could give his address to the nation, which was not followed by questions from the media.
I think he has been clear of late that he wants to get to the point where there is capacity to do 100,000 tests per week by the 18th of May, which is two weeks away yet, so perhaps like your earlier rants, lets hold judgement a bit.
Funny, I read that line word for word on one of those looney left facebook pages.
In a rare move, ministers were not given the advice from the NPHET ahead of time, with priority given to ensuring that the exact details of the document didn’’t leak before the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar could give his address to the nation, which was not followed by questions from the media.
efanton wrote: » He refused to divulge the advice given by the health officials on whether restriction could be altered to the rest of the cabinet before giving his address on Friday. Its a really strange way of running a government. Surely the smart thing to do would have as many of the cabinet involved as possible so that nothing is overlooked or forgotten. The only reason a Taoiseach would want to withhold information from his/her cabinet is because they either would not agree, or that the Taoiseach has no confidence or trust in their cabinet. The last Taoiseach that employed that tactic was Brian Cowan. He refused to divulge decisions made and advice given before announcing a complete bailout of all banks and bondholders. We know how that turned out.
markodaly wrote: » Thats lovely and all but again, what do the Greens have to do with FG? There is a Green thread already, perhaps its best suited there. Or.... create a 'Government formation' thread.
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