Random sample wrote: » I was just answering a question.
Random sample wrote: » I agree it’s off topic.
Millionaire only not wrote: » . So in your opinion a person that had h1 got all along and semi read the essay question wrong on the day deserved a h3 on the most important day . The question I believe was -what do u think the government has done to improve society , I think she answered it what the government should do ! . It wasn’t a thousand miles away anyway whatever she did ! So again just to be clear continuous assessments is not the answer , perform on the day ? That is your take on how good a student is? I would believe her essay should have been based On the Irish used and way she wrote it and she deserved a punishment but hardly to that extent. Her teacher checked it and it was appealed to no avail . Her exam paper was 90/100 in every other part expect that . Thks for your input .
rainbowtrout wrote: » If she didn't write a H1 standard paper on the day then she doesn't deserve a H1. It's that simple. You are graded on what you write on the paper. By your own admission she read the question wrong and didn't answer what she was asked. She is being graded on the the answer to the question, not on what she writes. If we were to grade all Leaving Cert papers on that basis, we just wouldn't bother putting any questions on it except 'You have three hours to write whatever you want about this subject'. It's a harsh lesson to learn, but read the question. I've had a number of students over the years who've missed out on higher grades because they didn't read the question correctly, and when we go to view the paper they always start out with 'but I wrote 2 pages for that answer' and my reply is always 'but you didn't answer what you were asked, sorry'.
Millionaire only not wrote: » My point here today fair enough u don’t deserve a H1 I’m not that thick . But if u have 90/100 in all the rest of the paper a complete right off 0% on that part does not make any sense . This is my opinion continuous assessment u would not be penalised to this extent . That is my only point on this I used my daughters slip up as an example ! Basing ur knowledge to a 3 hour exam on anything u would have to wonder is it correct . Likewise colleges need to do assessments on suitability of students for certain careers Might carry more weight than just all about cao points system.
km79 wrote: » And so the fallout continueshttps://www.thejournal.ie/poll-leaving-cert-cancelled-5090679-May2020/?utm_source=facebook_short&fbclid=IwAR1RbBFkAVdUjweiB4sYCpnJkK970rtehjR6oJVOsZSSSrf9P1SQcHPeogA MichAel Healy Rae calling for cancellation now Journal running a poll Sigh
Shn99 wrote: » The Irish second Level student union are running a survey too that theyre going to take to the depaetment..No guesses as to what the most popular option will be
randylonghorn wrote: » Easy for someone who has fecked off to to Dubai to pontificate and get his name in the papers; fall-out won't land in his lap.
political analyst wrote: » Obviously, predictive grading would be a problem for students who would miss out on places on healthcare courses (medicine, physiotherapy, nursing etc). Entrance exams could take place for medicine courses, for which the number of candidates would be much lower than the total number of students sitting the Leaving cert. Predictive grading probably wouldn't be contentious for admission to Arts and Business degree courses, given that the CAO points numbers for them are much lower.
mtoutlemonde wrote: » Just for your information, I have marked Leaving cert exam papers in a language subject. There are three categories, top, middle and bottom. If a candidate does not answer the question asked, they can never get into the top category. Your remark about 90/100 in every other part doesn't stand up, each component is marked as a single entity. I always compare the written pieces to an interview, if you failed to answer a question, you were being evasive, didn't know the answer or a politician.
political analyst wrote: » Colm Cregan is still qualified to give advice on the matter - I couldn't care less if he was in Timbuktu!
Millionaire only not wrote: » And the students wonder why they can’t get a mark they more than likely deserve when u have arrogance like that correcting it . I think I stated I used this as an example to overhaul the leaving cert . What part do u not understand, she always got a H1 she answered every other part as a H1 mark . Wrote the essay slightly off from the question but u think it’s fine to mark that essay 0 after 5 years in secondary she’s fluent in Irish by the way, and works her butt off . So she’s penalised for rest of her days . Makes u wonder about people alright . There teenagers and make mistakes like everyone else in life so at times u should cut a little slack.
Nalani Hissing Appetizer wrote: » His suggestion in today’s paper is workable for the vast majority of students. Let them choose. The small percentage of students who wish to sit papers can then be easily accommodated in an exam starting in mid/late June.
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » There is no way the essay was marked 0. That is just not credible.
deiseindublin wrote: » @Millionaire only not - I'm not sure if you understand the overall concept of marking schemes. The MS has the marks allocated individually for each question, and if a student did badly in one section, this brings the average down for every other section. A H1 could be 91%, so if you go off topic in an essay question, it's both unfortunate and quite likely that this will bring you average down to 79% or, maybe 81%, depending on other questions. If MS were not set out as such, students would just learn off realms of irrelevant essays and regurgitate them on the day. I hope it didn't effect her college options too much and she's had a good first year in college, despite CV.
Millionaire only not wrote: » Well it is , How do u think she felt . Teachers no one agreed but fell on deaf ears . I was worse that didn’t issue legal to soften there cough .
Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: » Only 20 out of 100 marks go for the subject content or topic of the essay. 80 is for the accuracy of the Irish used. It is just not credible that she got 0 except through a marking error which could be appealed.
Mrsmum wrote: » I think maybe Millionaire's point is broader than that. I get that teachers are very anti predictive grades and lots of teachers here have given examples of pupils they would disadvantage or advantage those who don't deserve it. Perfectly valid examples but given as if the L.C exams are a perfect measuring tool, that there aren't equally loads of people that didn't do as well as they, their teachers know those students are capable of. Because in reality the terminal L.C. exam is just not a foolproof means of sorting the wheat from the chaff either. A bright diligent student producing great work in 5th and 6th year reading the exam question slightly wrong and well that's just too bad. I mean even before Covid, students on the big day can be sick, dealing with family troubles, bereaved, react badly to nerves, too overwhelmed to perform well, read the question slightly wrong and adding lack of school time to that this year a whole other set of students disadvantaged. We as a country have accepted the terminal L.C. as the best of the options available but let's not pretend it is fair to the back bone.
Random sample wrote: » 0 for subject means 0 for language though. If they managed 10 for subject, the language is marked out of 40 instead of 80.
Millionaire only not wrote: » She’s back repeating , has acceptance for English college obviously based on final result which is up in arms now as well . Thanks for your reply
political analyst wrote: » It's as if most LC students don't know there is another way of getting to do courses for which they have to get around 500 points - there is the option of doing a course in something else with a lower number of points and then working for a few years and then doing the courses they want to do as mature students. It doesn't kill to wait for another few years.
