Outlaw Pete wrote: » Car crash TV. Whether he is or not, Biden coming across as if there is something to hide:https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1256209471765983234
notobtuse wrote: » I don't know if she is truthful or not, but her account and the witnesses who back up her account from the time are many times more credible that Ford's were against Kavanaugh. I think the media should at least devote the same amount of reporting and investigation in this claim as they did with Ford. Accusations against leaders who would have impact on the way our country is run demand the same standards... wouldn't you agree?
dark crystal wrote: » How do you figure? There was a publicised hearing and everything where both sides were heard. Kavanaugh got his confirmation in the end. What other due process should he have been afforded beyond that?
Brian? wrote: » Hey there. Have you backed down on your calls for a Senate hearing?
The Nal wrote: » Biden on MSNBC in 20 mins or so. Will be interesting to see how aggressive he is denying it.
"I want to address the recent criticism(the media are receiving for covering the Tara Reade story). We're going to get to what she alleges, back in '93, in a moment. But first let's talk about the criticism by some, particularly on the right, that the media has not applied the same standard to this allegation against Biden as it did it's allegations against Brett Kavanaugh. We think that's a good thing. The media should not apply a Kavanaugh standard to Joe Biden.
notobtuse wrote: » If Democrats didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all. Got to love Nancy Pelosi’s defense of Biden: “Joe Biden is Joe Biden.” Translation: “Boys will be Boys.” Nancy was right about one thing in her word salad defense that Joe Biden should have “due process.” Someone should remind her this was something denied to Brett Kavanaugh by Pelosi and her cronies. Of course she'd ignore it anyway.
2u2me wrote: » I just flicked it on to give it a look: The opening prologue is representative of how this whole thing works. Mika starts with(in her most somber tone): First downplay the allegation, then label any criticism coming from the left as 'the right'. Then tell people how to think about it. Expect thousands of new people to now be considered 'on the right'
Brian? wrote: » It comes across as a man who had nothing to hide and is infuriated repeating it.
TheCitizen wrote: » So here we have a Trump fanboy attacking Joe Biden for inappropriate sexual behaviour. LOL
SnazzyPig wrote: » Jesus, this thread has reached a new low.
dark crystal wrote: » do you believe her or not?
Billy Mays wrote: » MSLSD always cracks me up Using Sarah Palin catchphrases ffs :pac: :pac:
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Do you believe her?
notobtuse wrote: » Corroborating witnesses that back up the account she told from back in 1993.
notobtuse wrote: » Let's have a Senate investigation first. Then we'll see about a hearing.
dark crystal wrote: » Let's leave Blasey Ford aside for a moment. She got her hearing and her story was disbelieved to the extent that Kavanaugh got the job. Therefore, it's a bit of a non sequiter when discussing Reade's accusations v Trump's numerous accusers, who haven't been given such a forum. You say Reade is way more credible because she has witnesses who 'back up her account'. Ok, let's take Kristin Anderson, for example. Kristin Anderson told The Washington Post that Trump put his hand up her skirt to her underwear in the early 1990s. After the story’s publication, ABC News spoke to a friend of Anderson, Brad Trent, who said he heard the account from Anderson the same year of the alleged incident. Trent told ABC News that Anderson had told him she was sitting next to Trump at the old China Club bar in New York where he slid his hand up her thigh and “grabbed her p----.” In a statement included in the Post story, then-Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks – now his communications director -- disputed Anderson's accusations. “Mr. Trump strongly denies this phony allegation by someone looking to get some free publicity,” she said at the time. “It is totally ridiculous.” Do you believe Kristen Anderson is credible?
Brian? wrote: » I'll and again so. What legal mechanism is there for a Senate investigation?
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Thursday that he expected former Vice President Joe Biden will "have to participate" in releasing information related to a sexual assault allegation from former Biden staffer Tara Reade.
notobtuse wrote: » Ouch!
dark crystal wrote: » Ouch? I believe she has a right to be heard and for justice to be served if her account can be proven. I believe that to be true of any accusation, not just those made of politicians. The difficulty with sexual assault cases without independent witnesses present, is that there is always a 'he said, she said,' aspect, which can be notoriously difficult to prove on either side. My point being, Notobtuse can throw shade at Biden over one accusation, yet he is less prone to throw the same shade at Trump over 22 accusations. He then talks in terms of hypocrisy, which rankles somewhat, given his own biased position.
dark crystal wrote: » Let's leave Blasey Ford aside for a moment. She got her hearing and her story was disbelieved to the extent that Kavanaugh got the job. Therefore, it's a bit of a non sequiter when discussing Reade's accusations v Trump's numerous accusers, who haven't been given such a forum.
notobtuse wrote: » Haven't heard about that one. Couldn't say one way or another unless I went back and looked at all the reporting done on it.
dark crystal wrote: » You haven't heard her (almost identical) story? Yet you've heard Tara Reade's?Hmm..biased media didn't seem to do their job very well with that one!
2u2me wrote: » Your premise is faulty Just because 'Kavanaugh got the job' doesn't mean Ford 'was disbelieved'. Thankfully his jury wasn't one of public opinion. The presidency IS! She raised millions of dollars on her go fund me. I bet you ask just about any democrat in the US they will say they believe her. Now ask those same people about Tara Reade. Due process... something something... no facts.. something something...
notobtuse wrote: » Tara Reade has tried to track down the complaint she made against Biden back in 1993. Complaints of this kind were handled by the Senate Office of Fair Employment Practices in 1993, which was replaced by the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights (OCWR) following the passage of the Congressional Accountability Act in 1995. But she was told the records would have been returned to Biden’s office. Yeah, like he would have held onto them so they could bite him in the ass with any future political ambitions. I’m confident they won’t find anything in his sealed Senate files. It’s democrats we’re talking about! Remember Sandy “docs in his socks" Burger? Right after Biden announced he was running for president his staff was given access and combed through his records. Think anything incriminating remains? If you do I have a bridge in New York to sell you. That complaint of Reade’s probably went directly in the ‘circular file’ and then they stripped her of duties supervising interns, stuck her in a small office without windows, and told her to go find another job. Face it... if people involved back in 1993 who were responsible for handling, dealing with, and holding onto such complaints are now lying and saying it never happened in order to protect Biden, they surely covered up for him back then as well. You don’t get to the point of running for president as a democrat without avoiding a lot of landmines.
dark crystal wrote: » I believe she has a right to be heard
and for justice to be served if her account can be proven.
The difficulty with sexual assault cases without independent witnesses present, is that there is always a 'he said, she said,' aspect, which can be notoriously difficult to prove on either side.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Just on this - Tara Reade now says that she didn't report the assault , she now says that she lodged a complaint saying that "Biden made her feel uncomfortable" , which is not quite the same thing at all. This is yet another shift of the story from Tara Reade.https://twitter.com/marykbruce/status/1256197317235027968 The 1st reply to the above tweet makes a valid point - If this report was in fact lodged back in 1993 and was in the records , then the Obama/DNC teams would have found it back in 2008 or so when they were vetting Biden for VP and if it had merit , Biden would not have been selected.
