Snow Garden wrote: » I worked in the public service pre 2008 and even then many of us knew that Bertie's benchmarking had made our pay, conditions and allowances excessively generous, all things considered. Especially since the actual services weren't improving and there were major performance issues, bureaucratic problems and chronic absenteeism. So perhaps returning to 2008 levels is not a fair comparison in terms of entitlement.
blanch152 wrote: » What exactly are you trying to say?
Apparently there are 100,000 who haven't gotten their due yet. Some might call the lionising of these people by politicians getting payrises as hypocritical and cynical vote grabbing exploitation. Others might handwave it away as being overcritical and always whinging. But there you have it.
Mortelaro wrote: » Name them
smurgen wrote: » I know of Boston Scientific, Stryker and GSK.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Some might call the lionising of these people by politicians getting payrises as hypocritical and cynical vote grabbing exploitation.
blanch152 wrote: » Blatant spin and fake news again. What politicians are getting payrises?.
FrancieBrady wrote: » They got one recently, as nobody is complaining about it I presume that it has been processed for them. .
blanch152 wrote: » Recently? Do you mean the 1.75% paid last September (7 months ago) that every public servant including nurses and politicians got?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well within the last year is not 'recent'? Okie doke.
atticu wrote: » If politicians received a pay increase recently, but recently is not within the last year, can you please tell us what pay increase you are on about. Unless you mean the one in Northern Ireland from January 2020.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well within the last year (7 months ago) is 'recent' imo. If you have a different interpretation of 'recent', fair enough.
Mortelaro wrote: » Well you are wrong on the middle one ,I know that for a fact So Are you also wrong on the other two? I'd say so
McMurphy wrote: » I think you were supposed to write "recent months" for it to meet the pedantry test Francie. Can anyone elaborate on what is and is not an acceptable amount of time to have passed by before some event that has happened is no longer deemed as "recently" anymore? I mean seriously, what are we talking here in time terms? Seconds? hours? Days? Weeks? Like could "a month ago" be aptly described as recent, but six weeks ago could not? Will anyone clarify?
smurgen wrote: » 100%. In fact I have many friends in the middle one. Do you want me to tell you what departments are due the 20% pay cut and what ones aren't?
atticu wrote: » So you are referring to the pay increase in September 2019 which all public and civil servants, including politicians received, but you are claiming that not all public and civil servants received the increase. Well, that is some claim. I hope that you have reported this to the relevant authorities. I also hope that they have looked at the proof that you presented to them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I counterpointed politicians getting rises and refusing a paycut with a 100,000 of the people they were lionising still waiting on their enhanced pay scales and allowances and asked people to make their own minds up about that. It is just good old hypocrisy in my book.
Mortelaro wrote: » Well I've a senior manager in there related to me and another engineer who tell me you are 100% wrong
atticu wrote: » Wait, What... Just back it up a bit. Now you are saying that everyone who should have received that pay increase in September 2019 did receive it? But, you are also claiming that some didn’t? You also claim that politicians are refusing a pay cut - can you please let me know which public or civil servants took a pay cut in the last year, or refused a pay cut in the last year.
smurgen wrote: » So you're saying operators aren't due a pay cut? The majority of workers across the 6 plants by the way Can you tell me what buildings they work in and I'll double check your claim.
I know of Boston Scientific, Stryker and GSK.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 1. I didn't say that nurses were waiting, the newspaper article I linked to, said it. If you know different, let's see your links/proof. 2. Paschal ruled out politicians taking a cut. See the news.
FrancieBrady wrote: » They got one recently, as nobody is complaining about it I presume that it has been processed for them. Nurses and frontline workers are waiting for theirs.
atticu wrote: » I have to assume that you forgot what you posted, as you did say that nurses are waiting. Did Paschal say that public and civil servants were going to take pay cuts? Or are you trying to put a spin on what Pascal said?
FrancieBrady wrote: » NOTE TO FINE GAEL: If you want to dispel the impression that you are peopled by the arrogant - keep Colm Brophy off the airwaves as you kept Simon Harris and Eoghan and Enda locked up at key moments too. Not often you hear a radio host threatening to turn off a politician's mic. Sean O'Rourke had to warn him several times there before issuing the final decree.
McMurphy wrote: » What time was that at Francie - I will download the podcast to have a listen back on my upcoming drive here.
Snow Garden wrote: » I heard Boston Scientific are moving to 4 day weeks. Reduced demand for their products. They are already at 4 day weeks in the USA. But I guess you know best?
Mortelaro wrote: » As the general comment I replied to included a company I know a fair bit about this last 8 years,please forgive me for correcting incorrect information about it stryker are going to be flat out with their products, I can only speak for them They have not reduced salaries Non essential workers have been told not to come in during the period of the stay at home directive Those who can't work from home are furloughed on full pay for a month,80% pay thereafter until the stay at home direction is lifted That is not a salary reduction and there are no plans to do so Demand is such that their share price has risen since the emergency started Not only that,they have a new intake of employees in cork this year none of whom have been furloughed ,all of whom take part in daily conference calls when working from home It's a super employer in my opinion and a great place to work with a large percentage under 30
smurgen wrote: » Stryker's overall share price is down as many of their key markets took hits like instruments the reason being that surgeries were cancelled due to covid in many hospitals worldwide. The CEO this week took a 50% pay cut to his base salary citing Covid impact.
