Is it just me or have SF vanished?

So we can take it SF haven't vanished.

Edgware

Fann Linn wrote: »

So we can take it SF haven't vanished.

Check the trough. They are in there with the rest of them

James Brown

zoobizoo wrote: »

I've also gone onto the pages of FB posters. Most of them look legit.

Their illiteracy isn't because they're Russian Bots

So are we back to anon internet posters insulting the Irish electorate because they didn't vote how you'd have liked?
The last few pages are bitter little social media self appointed moral overlords whinging about standards while showing their own low ones.

There's enough nasty non-SF voters on here to show you need not trawl FB to find same.

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Edgware wrote: »

Check the trough. They are in there with the rest of them

Except when they hand back pay rises....which is also somehow a negative :pac:

Hope yous all (shinnerheads or not!),have a good bank holiday weekend guys,i love the craic in here,oh and stay safe

Mortelaro wrote: »

They've described the letter as reasonable
Expect the horse trading that is programme for government creation to get down to the nitty gritty soon

The Indo painting a fairly different picture.

'Huge unrest' in Greens' grassroots at FF/FG's reply to their demands

There is "huge unrest" in the Green Party's grassroots over Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael's response to their government formation demands.

The letter sent by Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in response to 17 questions posed by the Green Party has been heavily criticised by Greens around the country, sparking serious doubts that party members would approve a coalition deal.

Might not be in suspense much longer though according to this.

Green Party TDs also have concerns about Mr Martin and Mr Varadkar's letter, and a decision on whether or not to rebuff the Civil War parties' invitation to talks could come as early as today.

Still don't see it myself. The Greens would be extremely foolish to allow themselves to be obliterated (again) just so Eamon could be a minister (again).

More like huge unrest in FF given the Indo is an FF mouthpiece
I was reading this morning that the Greens 7% reduction could cost us 8 billion a year
If that's the case it would be madness when our competitors aren't doing it and in the teeth of a worldwide recession

Mortelaro wrote: »

More like huge unrest in FF given the Indo is an FF mouthpiece
I was reading this morning that the Greens 7% reduction could cost us 8 billion a year
If that's the case it would be madness when our competitors aren't doing it and in the teeth of a worldwide recession

That's certainly one way of interpreting this.

Wicklow TD Steven Matthews told the Irish Independent the two larger parties "have committed to some of our objectives".

But he said "more detail and much firmer commitment is required" in relation to the Greens' demand for 7pc-per-year reduction in carbon emissions, as well as demands relating to housing and the scrapping of a planned Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) terminal project.

Another TD, Neasa Hourigan, shared a Twitter post by Sinn Féin TD Eoin Ó Broin in which he criticised the housing proposals made by Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael in their letter.

The party's youth wing, Young Greens, has argued that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael aren't interested in the climate crisis and just want "a mudguard". Prominent party member Saoirse McHugh said the letter was "absolutely wocious" and added, "what a joke".

Cork City councillor Lorna Bogue said if Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are still not committing to the 7pc carbon emissions reduction target "it's clear the Greens should walk".

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

That's certainly one way of interpreting this.

Saoirse McHugh failed to be elected in three elections in the last year but somehow has become a media "luvvie".
Another Bacik in the making. If Greens do get into power Ryan will probably lead her to the Senate trough

blanch152

maccored wrote: »

ie 'random people wont say things I demand they say'. What do you want condemned btw? Hard to keep track in this thread

It would only take one example of unambiguous condemnation of an IRA or SF action by one of their representatives to disprove my contention, but they don't exist, because it is always the victim, always the context, always someone else's fault, always regrettable but understandable, etc. etc.

Edgware wrote: »

Saoirse McHugh failed to be elected in three elections in the last year but somehow has become a media "luvvie".
Another Bacik in the making. If Greens do get into power Ryan will probably lead her to the Senate trough

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either or will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

McMurphy wrote: »

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either of will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

Well I'd imagine another 8 billion a year hole from the emissions on top of Sinn Féins pre corona 20 billion plans is so undoable it's the chief reason that the coalition of the left couldnt pull itself together
I'd say it'll be Verona Murphy minister for transport before any of your two options

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well I'd imagine another 8 billion a year hole from the emissions on top of Sinn Féins pre corona 20 billion plans is so undoable it's the chief reason that the coalition of the left couldnt pull itself together
I'd say it'll be Verona Murphy minister for transport before any of your two options

I see how this is going, tear down the "FF bias" theory, > pivot to something else.

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either or will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

"palatable to SF" Who cares whats palatable to them and their bat**** policies?

McMurphy wrote: »

I see how this is going, tear down the "FF bias" theory, > pivot to something else.

I stand by my opinion that FF stalwart Fionnan is doing a good job of the FF editorship

Edgware wrote: »

"palatable to SF" Who cares whats palatable to them and their bat**** policies?

Also didn't refute the point made.

But since you asked. The shinners will care. So too will FF/G.

Anyone for a united Ireland unit or 60k free gaffs?

McMurphy wrote: »

Also didn't refute the point made.

But since you asked. The shinners will care. So too will FF/G.

To be fair,journalists finding opposition to moves(3 or 4) in order to pen new content isn't reality
Its copy
I'm surprised they didn't wheel out Eamon o'caoiv to decorate it a bit

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

It would only take one example of unambiguous condemnation of an IRA or SF action by one of their representatives to disprove my contention, but they don't exist, because it is always the victim, always the context, always someone else's fault, always regrettable but understandable, etc. etc.

you obviously missed my post where I said it was a stupid thing to be saying

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

It would only take one example of unambiguous condemnation of an IRA or SF action by one of their representatives to disprove my contention, but they don't exist, because it is always the victim, always the context, always someone else's fault, always regrettable but understandable, etc. etc.

you obviously missed my post where I said it was a stupid thing to be saying

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either or will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

The things that are preventing the Greens from entering coalition with FF and FG will prevent the Greens from entering into a national government arrangement.

A general election may not be physically possible this side of 2022.

There are only two games in town - FF/FG/? or FF/SF/?.

Nitrogan

If you look at the behaviour of Trump supporters it's a good indication of what SF will be doing next.

Attacking the government for following expert advice. They'll be on that populist bandwagon soon.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

The Indo painting a fairly different picture.

'Huge unrest' in Greens' grassroots at FF/FG's reply to their demands

Might not be in suspense much longer though according to this.

Still don't see it myself. The Greens would be extremely foolish to allow themselves to be obliterated (again) just so Eamon could be a minister (again).

Once you see the phrase

"to rebuff the Civil War parties' invitation"

you know that it is spin and not reality.

Nitrogan wrote: »

If you look at the behaviour of Trump supporters it's a good indication of what SF will be doing next.

Attacking the government for following expert advice. They'll be on that populist bandwagon soon.

So you'll include FF/LP/SD/GP along with the Shinners in your criticism because from what I heard today every party are questioning FG.

Nitrogan

Fann Linn wrote: »

So you'll include FF/LP/SD/GP along with the Shinners in your criticism because from what I heard today every party are questioning FG.

SF are the equivalent of the Trump MAGA cult.

Take a look at the Trump supporters with guns blockading hospitals and public buildings in the US, those are the kind of people who support SF in Ireland and that's who SF will be goading and inflaming in the next few months just like Trump does.

The difference being SF supporters will be arrested if they behave like that.

Nitrogan wrote: »

SF are the equivalent of the Trump MAGA cult.

Take a look at the Trump supporters with guns blockading hospitals and public buildings in the US, those are the kind of people who support SF in Ireland and that's who SF will be goading and inflaming in the next few months just like Trump does.

The difference being SF supporters will be arrested if they behave like that.

So you won't answer the question you're just raving.
Thanks.

blanch152 wrote: »

A general election may not be physically possible this side of 2022.

There are only two games in town - FF/FG/? or FF/SF/?.

Blanch with all due respect, for a poster who has been predicting the imminent political demise of Sinn Fein for as long as I can remember on this site, you may just forgive me if I take this prediction with more than a pinch of salt also.

Field east

Fann Linn wrote: »

So you'll include FF/LP/SD/GP along with the Shinners in your criticism because from what I heard today every party are questioning FG.

The ‘opposition must have had a chat b4 hand and agreed to divvy up the q to be asked between them. Sure hav’nt they been itching to ask questions at the first opportunity no matter how populist they were. They could not be seen to ask the ‘hard questions up till now because they probably felt the the public would be somewhat annoyed.