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Deferred State Exams 2020 [SEE MOD NOTE POST #1]

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I'm aware that the new LC timetable will be published this June - public health permitting.

Regarding the usual schedule, why doesn't the State Exams Commission have the exams of both papers each in English, Irish and Maths in the Leaving and Junior Cert exams take place on the first 3 days of the exam period so that students will have the exams in the main subjects over with by the end of Day 3?

After all, the sooner the exams are over and done with, the better - right?!

MOD NOTE I'm setting up this thread as the one stop shop for all discusion about the state exams, preparing for these exams and the format this may take. Discussion can also take place about Mat leave contracts and factual information regarding these.
There will be a warning for anyone who:
a) moans about teachers holidays
b) moans about teachers pay
c) moans for the sake of moaning
D) this is NOT a discussion about school closures, that thread ran its course and this is not a replacement.
Usual forum rules also apply.

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Gal2glam

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Would it have killed him to say "we hope the LC will proceed as planned" but then you wouldn't tune in to see him on the Late Late.

Why would he need to say that? It’s starting on the 29th of July no surprise.

km79

Here is the roadmap

https://assets.gov.ie/73722/ffd17d70fbb64b498fd809dde548f411.pdf

For education
Phase one - teachers may access schools if they need materials for remote learning

No change until phase 5 when schools will return on a “phased basis “

So June and July then.......?

km79

happywithlife wrote: »

https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-05-01a.html8

Dept issused this press relkease earlier in the afternoon. Met the various stakeholders today and they are meeting next Wed (6th May) don't think we'll have anything offical (apart from leaks) before then

The advisory group continued discussions on the practicalities of holding the Leaving Certificate examinations given the constraints of social distancing and other requirements that may be necessary on foot of public health advice.

This followed discussions on the challenges involved in providing two weeks of schooling prior to the running of the Leaving Certificate examination.

km79

Rosita wrote: »

I'd say he meant school opening in general will be September. In other words they will not open in May. I doubt the LC arrangements are meant to have changed. It would be unusual in the current context not to have a government statement which wasn't ambiguous and confusing in part at least.

The latest in a lengthening line of silly loose statements from govt officials. This will not help matters with Lcerts now

In other news the survey has come through
I wrote an essay at the end

jimmytwotimes 2013

km79 wrote: »

“Schools and colleges will not reopen until start of next academic year in September /October “

Leo
Well then ......

Would it have killed him to say "we hope the LC will proceed as planned" but then you wouldn't tune in to see him on the Late Late.

happywithlife

https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2020-press-releases/PR20-05-01a.html8

Dept issused this press relkease earlier in the afternoon. Met the various stakeholders today and they are meeting next Wed (6th May) don't think we'll have anything offical (apart from leaks) before then

Rosita

I'd say he meant school opening in general will be September. In other words they will not open in May. I doubt the LC arrangements are meant to have changed. It would be unusual in the current context not to have a government statement which wasn't ambiguous and confusing in part at least.

History Queen

Mary Lou McDonald just on news there now asking for clarity on whether proposed two week opening of schools for Leaving Cert students is still happening given Leo says schools and colleges closed until September/October.

teachinggal123

km79 wrote: »

“Schools and colleges will not reopen until start of next academic year in September /October “

Leo
Well then ......

Unlikely ... but I hope so!!!

km79

“Schools and colleges will not reopen until start of next academic year in September /October “

Leo
Well then ......

km79

https://www.asti.ie/news/teachers-remote-teaching-experiences-survey/

Can’t tell you what’s in the survey as I did not receive it !
They 100% have my email
I have requested it now anyway
Will be interesting to see if there is anything regarding June /July in it

r93kaey5p2izun

khalessi wrote: »

There could be a hiccup in this as a study just published by The Lancet in Britain, based on a study carried out by researchers in China in conjunction with Joh fns Hopkins University, found that children can catch and spread it just as easily as adults.

I think it is just like playing Chess or something with this virus. For every 2 steps forward we get knocked two steps back

I can provide link to lancet if you want to read the summary

I've seen the article. Unfortunately I don't think it will make a difference. I think significant protections will only be put in place if children are considered to be at risk of serious illness. There just won't be the same concern for school staff, same as there hasn't been much concern for health care workers or retail staff etc. I don't think schools will open very soon or anything, but I think once a decision is made that things generally should be opening up, that we can expect DES to do as little as possible in terms of protection measures. There won't be any public outcry over risk to school staff so they won't feel the pressure.

khalessi

Chaya Fresh Shoehorn wrote: »

I think it's fanciful, or at best wishful thinking, to even consider that schools will be providing any sort of masks or PPE to staff or students! The students are considered low risk in general, so there just won't be any major concern or pressure to implement significant safety precautions once any sort of reopening is in place.

There could be a hiccup in this as a study just published by The Lancet in Britain, based on a study carried out by researchers in China in conjunction with Johns Hopkins University, found that children can catch and spread it just as easily as adults.

I think it is just like playing Chess or something with this virus. For every 2 steps forward we get knocked 1 step back

I can provide link to lancet if you want to read the summary

Mardy Bum

Schools won't be back this term. This was laid out weeks ago by the department with the suggestion of a staggered start to 2020/2021. Ignore the articles.

r93kaey5p2izun

pandoraj09 wrote: »

We'd a zoom meeting this morning re the Junior Cert arrangements and someone brought up the amount of money needed on a school by school basis just to provide fresh face masks to everyone in the building every day, as well as any other PPE needed.

I think it's fanciful, or at best wishful thinking, to even consider that schools will be providing any sort of masks or PPE to staff or students! The students are considered low risk in general, so there just won't be any major concern or pressure to implement significant safety precautions once any sort of reopening is in place.

Treppen

km79 wrote: »

Leo laying out the “roadmap “ tomorrow
Have a feeling another holiday weekend is about to be ruined

Of course it was unfortunately 'leaked' to the press today. this government leaking is going beyond a joke at this stage.

pandoraj09

We'd a zoom meeting this morning re the Junior Cert arrangements and someone brought up the amount of money needed on a school by school basis just to provide fresh face masks to everyone in the building every day, as well as any other PPE needed.

km79

Leo laying out the “roadmap “ tomorrow
Have a feeling another holiday weekend is about to be ruined

Rosita

bren2001 wrote: »

Firstly, classes operating with social distancing is far easier than exam centres. Class sizes are 20-30 (?), so using the large hall in a school, classes can be staggered. Nowhere does it say all students will be in at once.

Secondly, in the interest of clarity and fairness, a decision had to be made several weeks ago on the postponement of the LC. We were in no position to know what the situation would be in June and it was believed that running the LC would be a non-runner in June (and still is imo).

You are missing my point. A plan was made to bring students back in July. Why not stick with that and not get into the sheer tokenism of bringing them back in May.

Incidentally one of the Principals I heard on the Sean Ó Rourke programme recently thought that LC classes under social distancing in July was far more impractical than the actual LC exams themselves. Funny how opinions differ on that.

bren2001

Rosita wrote: »

Yet again the prospect of LCs back in school in May is raised.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/leaked-proposed-timetable-for-return-to-normal-life-in-ireland/ar-BB13pjUJ?ocid=spartanntp

Again, if this can be done why was the LC deferred?

Firstly, classes operating with social distancing is far easier than exam centres. Class sizes are 20-30 (?), so using the large hall in a school, classes can be staggered. Nowhere does it say all students will be in at once.

Secondly, in the interest of clarity and fairness, a decision had to be made several weeks ago on the postponement of the LC. We were in no position to know what the situation would be in June and it was believed that running the LC would be a non-runner in June (and still is imo).

Rosita

Yet again the prospect of LCs back in school in May is raised.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/leaked-proposed-timetable-for-return-to-normal-life-in-ireland/ar-BB13pjUJ?ocid=spartanntp

Again, if this can be done why was the LC deferred?

Purefrank128

ethical wrote: »

I feel really sorry for all the JC students (and teachers!) that have worked flat out since March 12th only to be told now that the work after March 12th should not be considered!!!!! So for the student (or teacher !) that didnt bother their backside,no harm done!
(Of course the ETB "confidence and supply" form or was it "protection & accountability",so many box ticking feckin forms now, will catch the teacher out!!!)

Nowhere does it say that work after March 12 should not be considered. The ASTI quote it that "in the interest of equity the result should be based predominantly on work done prior to lockdown".

Predominantly, not exclusively.

So clearly work done after March 12 can and probably should be assessed. That's what the ASTI quote says.

km79

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Since when is work during the lock down not being considered? Source?

Asti SC rep
4 Schools will issue reports for third years, like they do for all other years in the school. In the interest of equity the result should be based predominantly on work done prior to lockdown. The report can take format of marks grades comments or descriptors this to be agreed by staffs in schools . This is a school summer report nothing else.

It’s not saying it shouldn’t be considered
But it is certainly giving schools that option !

mirrorwall14

ethical wrote: »

I feel really sorry for all the JC students (and teachers!) that have worked flat out since March 12th only to be told now that the work after March 12th should not be considered!!!!! So for the student (or teacher !) that didnt bother their backside,no harm done!
(Of course the ETB "confidence and supply" form or was it "protection & accountability",so many box ticking feckin forms now, will catch the teacher out!!!)

Since when is work during the lock down not being considered? Source?

ngunners

ethical wrote: »

I feel really sorry for all the JC students (and teachers!) that have worked flat out since March 12th only to be told now that the work after March 12th should not be considered!!!!! So for the student (or teacher !) that didnt bother their backside,no harm done!
(Of course the ETB "confidence and supply" form or was it "protection & accountability",so many box ticking feckin forms now, will catch the teacher out!!!)

Work after March the 12th shouldn’t be considered for what?

ethical

I feel really sorry for all the JC students (and teachers!) that have worked flat out since March 12th only to be told now that the work after March 12th should not be considered!!!!! So for the student (or teacher !) that didnt bother their backside,no harm done!
(Of course the ETB "confidence and supply" form or was it "protection & accountability",so many box ticking feckin forms now, will catch the teacher out!!!)

km79

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Schools like Claregalway will have to adjust their plans. Maybe the Dept don’t like being told how to run things by rogue principals

I actually meant point 4 sorry

They won’t . Cos they were not intending on giving exams I think

rainbowtrout

km79 wrote: »

Point 3 is very very interesting for schools going ahead with exams

Schools like Claregalway will have to adjust their plans. Maybe the Dept don’t like being told how to run things by rogue principals

Treppen

Shn99 wrote: »

Emma o Kelly on RTE news saying "if they can do PGs for the JC then one would wonder can they do it for the LC"

I know one teacher who's notorious for giving high grades in exams to keep parents happy. If predicted grades go through she'll become the best teacher in the country :pac::pac::pac:

km79

Update from asti Sc rep
Our concerns in relation to junior certs 2020 have all been taken into consideration.
1 There will be no exams in September, the junior cert is cancelled.
2 All pupils will receive a certificate of completion from the DES at the end of their 3 year cycle.
3 The profile of achievement for Junior Cycle(JCPA) is gone for this year.
4 Schools will issue reports for third years, like they do for all other years in the school. In the interest of equity the result should be based predominantly on work done prior to lockdown. The report can take format of marks grades comments or descriptors this to be agreed by staffs in schools . This is a school summer report nothing else.
5 The union website www.asti.ie will be updated tomorrow to give answers to questions you may have. If you still have questions don’t hesitate to get in touch.

Point 4 is very very interesting for schools going ahead with exams