Is it just me or have SF vanished?

McMurphy wrote: »

I see how this is going, tear down the "FF bias" theory, > pivot to something else.

I stand by my opinion that FF stalwart Fionnan is doing a good job of the FF editorship

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either or will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

"palatable to SF" Who cares whats palatable to them and their bat**** policies?

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well I'd imagine another 8 billion a year hole from the emissions on top of Sinn Féins pre corona 20 billion plans is so undoable it's the chief reason that the coalition of the left couldnt pull itself together
I'd say it'll be Verona Murphy minister for transport before any of your two options

I see how this is going, tear down the "FF bias" theory, > pivot to something else.

McMurphy wrote: »

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either of will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

Well I'd imagine another 8 billion a year hole from the emissions on top of Sinn Féins pre corona 20 billion plans is so undoable it's the chief reason that the coalition of the left couldnt pull itself together
I'd say it'll be Verona Murphy minister for transport before any of your two options

Edgware wrote: »

Saoirse McHugh failed to be elected in three elections in the last year but somehow has become a media "luvvie".
Another Bacik in the making. If Greens do get into power Ryan will probably lead her to the Senate trough

That doesn't refute anything, I said, unless of course you're just going to select one name from several, otherwise known as cherry picking.

McHugh might become the new James Reilly going by your prediction lol.

Im still calling it - National government of unity or a fresh election, and I'm still saying either or will be much more palatable to SF than to FF/G.

blanch152

maccored wrote: »

ie 'random people wont say things I demand they say'. What do you want condemned btw? Hard to keep track in this thread

It would only take one example of unambiguous condemnation of an IRA or SF action by one of their representatives to disprove my contention, but they don't exist, because it is always the victim, always the context, always someone else's fault, always regrettable but understandable, etc. etc.

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

That's certainly one way of interpreting this.

Saoirse McHugh failed to be elected in three elections in the last year but somehow has become a media "luvvie".
Another Bacik in the making. If Greens do get into power Ryan will probably lead her to the Senate trough

Mortelaro wrote: »

More like huge unrest in FF given the Indo is an FF mouthpiece
I was reading this morning that the Greens 7% reduction could cost us 8 billion a year
If that's the case it would be madness when our competitors aren't doing it and in the teeth of a worldwide recession

That's certainly one way of interpreting this.

Wicklow TD Steven Matthews told the Irish Independent the two larger parties "have committed to some of our objectives".

But he said "more detail and much firmer commitment is required" in relation to the Greens' demand for 7pc-per-year reduction in carbon emissions, as well as demands relating to housing and the scrapping of a planned Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) terminal project.

Another TD, Neasa Hourigan, shared a Twitter post by Sinn Féin TD Eoin Ó Broin in which he criticised the housing proposals made by Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael in their letter.

The party's youth wing, Young Greens, has argued that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael aren't interested in the climate crisis and just want "a mudguard". Prominent party member Saoirse McHugh said the letter was "absolutely wocious" and added, "what a joke".

Cork City councillor Lorna Bogue said if Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are still not committing to the 7pc carbon emissions reduction target "it's clear the Greens should walk".

More like huge unrest in FF given the Indo is an FF mouthpiece
I was reading this morning that the Greens 7% reduction could cost us 8 billion a year
If that's the case it would be madness when our competitors aren't doing it and in the teeth of a worldwide recession

Mortelaro wrote: »

They've described the letter as reasonable
Expect the horse trading that is programme for government creation to get down to the nitty gritty soon

The Indo painting a fairly different picture.

'Huge unrest' in Greens' grassroots at FF/FG's reply to their demands

There is "huge unrest" in the Green Party's grassroots over Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael's response to their government formation demands.

The letter sent by Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in response to 17 questions posed by the Green Party has been heavily criticised by Greens around the country, sparking serious doubts that party members would approve a coalition deal.

Might not be in suspense much longer though according to this.

Green Party TDs also have concerns about Mr Martin and Mr Varadkar's letter, and a decision on whether or not to rebuff the Civil War parties' invitation to talks could come as early as today.

Still don't see it myself. The Greens would be extremely foolish to allow themselves to be obliterated (again) just so Eamon could be a minister (again).

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Edgware wrote: »

Check the trough. They are in there with the rest of them

Except when they hand back pay rises....which is also somehow a negative :pac:

Hope yous all (shinnerheads or not!),have a good bank holiday weekend guys,i love the craic in here,oh and stay safe

James Brown

zoobizoo wrote: »

I've also gone onto the pages of FB posters. Most of them look legit.

Their illiteracy isn't because they're Russian Bots

So are we back to anon internet posters insulting the Irish electorate because they didn't vote how you'd have liked?
The last few pages are bitter little social media self appointed moral overlords whinging about standards while showing their own low ones.

There's enough nasty non-SF voters on here to show you need not trawl FB to find same.

Edgware

Fann Linn wrote: »

So we can take it SF haven't vanished.

Check the trough. They are in there with the rest of them

Fann Linn

So we can take it SF haven't vanished.

McMurphy wrote: »

Still thinking it's a fresh election or National government myself, even I don't believe the greens are naïve enough to be caught in the honey trap again.

They've described the letter as reasonable
Expect the horse trading that is programme for government creation to get down to the nitty gritty soon

aido79

tikkahunter wrote: »

Dr. Leo Varadkar rejoins the health service , have a look over on that thread at the past few posts . Typical of what you would see on a SF comments section.

There's definitely a lot of similarities. When I read those type of comments especially on Facebook there's a part of me that actually hopes that SF can form a government one day and make these people's lives better. Some of them could even be future SF TD's because they seem to think it would be very easy to fix all the problems in the country and the only thing stopping the solutions being implemented is FF or FG...for the last hundred years apparently. I wasn't around in 1920 but from what I've seen and read Ireland is a much better place to live in in 2020 and that's no thanks to Sinn Fein.

Shefwedfan

maccored wrote: »

so you cant answer me then - instead you for some reason quote my own posts at me as though it proves something.

I did answer, thank you.....

tikkahunter wrote: »

Yes under their posts , i have already pointed you in the right direction for a few hours reading .

eh? you've pointed me in the direction of a SF comments section on fb?

oooooooook ......

tikkahunter

maccored wrote: »

SF comments section? Is there a SF comments section on FB or boards?

Yes under their posts on facebook , I have already said where to go to read them earlier in the thread , go have a read and knock yourself out .

tikkahunter wrote: »

Dr. Leo Varadkar rejoins the health service , have a look over on that thread at the past few posts . Typical of what you would see on a SF comments section.

SF comments section? Is there a SF comments section on FB or boards?

tikkahunter

aido79 wrote: »

Instagram may be more popular but Facebook is still widely used among younger people.

Dr. Leo Varadkar rejoins the health service , have a look over on that thread at the past few posts . Typical of what you would see on a SF comments section.

aido79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Younger voters dont use facebook

Anyone i know,under 25 hasnt used/activated their FB account in months/years...insta/tik tok only now (plus reddit)

Instagram may be more popular but Facebook is still widely used among younger people.

zoobizoo wrote: »

I presume that the SF supporters commenting on here condemn this sentiment....

I think that was a **** comment for anyoneto make. Is that the same as 'condemn' in your book (it is in mine)? (sorry to disappoint blanch152 )

zoobizoo

Nitrogan wrote: »

Indeed.

Who's to say they're even Irish.

We all know at this stage that populist movements like Trump and Brexit have used troll farms in places like Macedonia.

Some of the user names are a trying a bit too hard to sound Irish too.

I've also gone onto the pages of FB posters. Most of them look legit.

Their illiteracy isn't because they're Russian Bots

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody in Sinn Fein will ever condemn a specific incident involving themselves or the IRA.

They will contextualise to excuse, dilute to refer to others, blame someone else for the conditions that allowed it to happen etc.

ie 'random people wont say things I demand they say'. What do you want condemned btw? Hard to keep track in this thread

Nitrogan

maccored wrote: »

I very much doubt the majority or SF members are posting on those FB threads.

Indeed.

Who's to say they're even Irish.

We all know at this stage that populist movements like Trump and Brexit have used troll farms in places like Macedonia.

Some of the user names are a trying a bit too hard to sound Irish too.

blanch152

zoobizoo wrote: »

How was it loaded?

No. No SF supporter on here had condemned it outright which I found surprising that's all.

Nobody in Sinn Fein will ever condemn a specific incident involving themselves or the IRA.

They will contextualise to excuse, dilute to refer to others, blame someone else for the conditions that allowed it to happen etc.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Unfortunately it is the majority. Go to any SF post on facebook and you will see the comments - they are despicable. I deleted and blocked so many people during the election because i couldn't believe they were sharing posts that had vile comments on them .Every politician is fair game to be criticized on their failings and broken promises while in term but go on to the SF videos and its homophobic and racist remarks .It is something that they need to come down on hard. Look at the counts and the behavior of the clowns behind the candidates, it is very easy to say to them goons before they attend a count - if your going to attend dress well and keep your mouth in check . You had Dessie Ellis and the pack of fools behind him march in to come out you black and tans .Keep that for the celebration party not the count .

a majority of replies maybe but the poster said the majority in SF. As usual there's nothing to back that up bar the posters own say so as I very much doubt the majority or SF members are posting on those FB threads.