Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Democracy at work. Thanks for answering and not hiding. Appreciated.
McMurphy wrote: » You're on these boards long enough to know fine well that she was the sole nominee for Adams replacement.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Well that's a lie. If we're going down that route can you show the results of the democratically voted in Mary Lou as SF leader. Looking online but can't find the results. Over to you....
McMurphy wrote: » This is the problem with being all arse no trousers, in an rush to post quirky soundbites - don't think far enough in front of yourself to think if it's going to bite you on the hole. So, having called you out on how the shinners do indeed have leadership elections, you go on to trumpet about a democratic selections. When that is called out, it's whatabouting. You haven't a bulls arse notion about what you're posting, that's all arse, no trousers. Carry on.
McMurphy wrote: » Which has brought us on to discussing their leadership, and how you believe they're not democratically elected. The discussion has moved on to discussing the actual Taoiseach of the country, and if you believe him getting the leadership of FG, despite only getting half the vote Coveney did was democratic or do you have a forked tongue? Painted yourself into a bit of a corner now chief.
all about the mane wrote: » Whataboutery never painted anyone into a corner. Pathetic attempt. Try harder
smurgen wrote: » Leadership and democracy? Like 15 count Lieo inviting everyone and their dog into the fold as Taoiseach?he wasn’t even democratically voted into the office as Taoiseach himself.
all about the mane wrote: » We are discussing SF.
all about the mane wrote: » We are discussing SF. Try and keep up (clue is in the thread title)
all about the mane wrote: » Don’t be so precious. SF don’t do democracy when it comes to leadership. Slab needs to give the nod. That’s how the fish wife got the job.
Nitrogan wrote: » Not even in the same ball park as laughing at victims of IRA violence.
Randy Archer wrote: » Shinners wouldn’t be too bad for some in FF ,to the centrist and centre left elements of the party (There are a few )but the some key reasons why FF would be reluctant is that (A) to them, SF policy is more headbanger stuff , even if FF themselves are a populist party be hard for FF to put a muzzle on sf leaders and especially their supporters, some of whom behave like utter knackers at polling station during elections C) SF definitely are digging into the same voting pool that FF attract, especially the youth. Have little time for SF but they have done well to attract the younger members , just SF are always likely to self explode as they lost many members hand over fist during 2012-2019 Everyone knows, don’t ask what a political party would do for you, ask what you would do for the political party Either way, it would hard to stomach the treachery of officially joining forces with Fine Gael. It would surpass the treachery of joining forces with the PD’s. The greats of De Valera, Lemass ,Haughey (cough) must be spinning in their grave ,god rest their soul. Martin Ought to be taken to mBeal na Blath and shot . Not to for the first time, a Cork man or woman acts the Judas or shows weakness:rolleyes:
McMurphy wrote: » Yawn, are you going to just blindly repeat the same shyte over and over again, no matter how many times you are called out? It's a brief respite from the "fish wife" bolloxology though.
McMurphy wrote: » It's a brief respite from the "fish wife" bolloxology though.
all about the mane wrote: » Imagine a party that voted on who the leader will be.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Actually he was, he was elected Labour leader in 2002
McMurphy wrote: » Pat wasn't the leader of labour ever, are you mixing him up with Gilmore?
Randy Archer wrote: » Cosgrave’s FG and Cornish Labour ,explicitly joined forces ,an election pact in the early 1970s . Yep 2011 was a cosy little deal, Pat Rabbitte was wasn’t leader of labour by then was often seen as FG lite
Deleted User wrote: » If iirc fg and labour once released what was effectively a joint manifesto (2011 or 2015,not sure) Mate your claiming black is white saying he would go in with SF,when ive shown yous he said exact opposite?? Like if your going to lie,at least dont make it so easy to disprove :pac: Jesus that was embarassingly bad
Edgware wrote: » As soon as Covid19 hit all election promises went out the window, all pre election promises about not negotiating with this or that group went out the window. All the parties know that and now we have an opportunity to start afresh. Certain levels in FF want nothing to do with SF and vice versa. Then the same could be said about the relationship between a lot of the other groupings. I feel that when push comes to shove FF would be acceptable to most of the others than FG. If FF FG and the Greens cant agree a programme then Martin will have no choice to talk S.F. "in the national interest, difficult times, uncharted waters bull **** bull ****, avoid an election etc" Likewise McDonald will state the same " country wants change, FG Thatchetite austerity etc" Throw in Soc Dems and/or the Rural Alliance. No hassle about introducing Green Party policies etc. This game could run for a while yet.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Yeah because SF are doing such a stand up job at solving all the problems on the other side of the border. You're deluded if you think they have some kind of magic formula to solve all the issues facing this country, they were foaming at the mouth to get their hands on power last Feb but are probably delighted now that we are in recession and they won't have to make any hard decisions over the next few years. We've seen more of that spoofer O Reilly over the last few days bitching and giving out from the sidelines than we did in the last month and a half when this virus took hold because that is all she is good for, she had no solution to offer at the start of all this.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » And they don't care. They urgently need the cost of living to come down before their entire lives are wasted trying to stay afloat and not being able to build a life for themselves, and they need that to be addressed now, not in a decade or two, or whatever the timeline for "the market will fix everything on its own" BS is these days. It still amazes me how people don't seem to get this. The cost of living is destroying peoples' lives and young people who are primarily in the rental sector for housing have been hit orders of magnitude harder than everyone else (who are being hit hard enough as it is!) - Fine Gael don't give a bollocks about those people, so why should those people vote for Fine Gael? Honestly, I just don't get it. In what political theory or model does "Directly pursue policies which severely harm a particular demographic" logically lead into "expect that demographic to vote for you when you've done absolutely nothing for them and indeed have actively done things which have hurt them immeasurably"? EDIT: Here's a quote from journalist Glenn Greenwald (the man who broke the Snowden story a few years back) on Brexit and Trump, entirely relevant to the rise of SF here. Everything he's saying is exactly why young Irish voters have abandoned FFG.One of the things that is bothering me and bothered me about the Brexit debate, and is bothering me a huge about the Trump debate, is that there is zero elite reckoning with their own responsibility in creating the situation that led to both Brexit and Trump and then the broader collapse of elite authority. The reason why Brexit resonated and Trump resonated isn’t that people are too stupid to understand the arguments. The reason they resonated is that people have been so f*cked by the prevailing order in such deep and fundamental and enduring ways that they can't imagine that anything is worse than preservation of the status quo. You have this huge portion of the populace in both the U.K. and the U.S. that is so angry and so helpless that they view exploding things without any idea of what the resulting debris is going to be to be preferable to having things continue, and the people they view as having done this to them to continue in power. That is a really serious and dangerous and not completely invalid perception that a lot of people who spend their days scorning Trump and his supporters or Brexit played a great deal in creating.
Shefwedfan wrote: » The laughable part is people still blaming a political party for their own stupidity. Its always someone elses fault
tikkahunter wrote: » You just bet me to that FG/FF Spin - 1 shots Vote for change - 2 shots
