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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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Shefwedfan

McMurphy wrote: »

I agree with you, Ireland's plight wouldn't have been any different had FG had been in power at the time.

Another silly comment. All the parties, including SF had reprensetatives in the Dail and not a whisper out of any of them.....

The laughable part is people still blaming a political party for their own stupidity. Its always someone elses fault,

You would think they would learn, but I seen a comment from someone that it is great with this virus they will lower the deposit requirements to buy a house

Idiots never learn.....doesn't matter which politician is in power

McMurphy

Edgware wrote: »

You really believe that?

The alternative doesn't look too be a runner, don't think even blanch thinks the greens will get a deal over the line.

Labour or the socdems don't appear to be having any interest in it either, so my predicament seems to be the only other possibility left for them.

Labour got shafted last time with FG. The greens got shafted by FF, The SocDems looking at labour and the greens probably feel they're too fresh to scupper the seat gains they had in the last election - fresh election might bring even more seats for them, they could further establish themselves and then consider being a prop.

So yes, definitely feel there's more chance of a fresh election or a national government than a FFG + smaller party and a handful of independents.

I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Edgware

McMurphy wrote: »

FG are there in a caretaker capacity, and if you have some evidence that they're any closer to reeling in a patsy to get a new one established, throw the link up.

There'll be a new election or a national government of unity, either or won't sit comfortably with Leo, that's something I can tell you for free.

You really believe that?

Edgware

blanch152 wrote: »

If I was a FG supporter, I would be screaming for them to go into opposition. Let the others sort this out would be my view. I also think that would benefit them in the longer run and they would be by far the biggest party after the next election, whenever that was.

But I am not, I am a Green voter, and want them in government with parties that actually know how to govern, Fine Gael and Labour would be my choices to go into government with the Greens, that isn't possible so holding the nose with FF is the next best option.

No one party will ever get their own way without an overall majority. So then its up to them to get the best out of negotiations. Waiting for the next election wont necessarily work out.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

And remind me again who is in government? Or who is close to forming a government?

FG are there in a caretaker capacity, and if you have some evidence that they're any closer to reeling in a patsy to get a new one established, throw the link up.

There'll be a new election or a national government of unity, either or won't sit comfortably with Leo, that's something I can tell you for free.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

You also said the best place for fg was opposition.

If I was a FG supporter, I would be screaming for them to go into opposition. Let the others sort this out would be my view. I also think that would benefit them in the longer run and they would be by far the biggest party after the next election, whenever that was.

But I am not, I am a Green voter, and want them in government with parties that actually know how to govern, Fine Gael and Labour would be my choices to go into government with the Greens, that isn't possible so holding the nose with FF is the next best option.

McMurphy

Mortelaro wrote: »

In those ebbs and flows,you forgot Sinn Féins 'excellent ' council elections less than a year ago...

Well, not really.

I still have the "council elections are irrelevant" chants ringing in my ear from FG folk when they lost so many seats from the one before that.

Therefore, didn't think it worth mentioning.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

I have said all along that it would be a challenge to get the required two-thirds majority of members.

However, it is much better to be a party going into an election having made a genuine attempt to form a government rather than one that made a song and dance about it and couldn't get an agreement with anyone.

You also said the best place for fg was opposition.

Mortelaro

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

In those ebbs and flows,you forgot Sinn Féins 'excellent ' council elections less than a year ago...

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

And remind me again who is in government? Or who is close to forming a government?

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Please elaborate on this.

Hearing something similar, I know the green party candidate in this area (failed to get elected) and I don't think they're too united as a party at present, watch this space greens in a FFG coalition govt ain't going to happen.

A new election later in the year or national government is what's going to happen.

Whether the electorate will thank FFG for dragging this charade out during a "once in a lifetime" pandemic remains to be seen.

I have said all along that it would be a challenge to get the required two-thirds majority of members.

However, it is much better to be a party going into an election having made a genuine attempt to form a government rather than one that made a song and dance about it and couldn't get an agreement with anyone.

Edgware

Mortelaro wrote: »

If you arent an organic farmer then as a SF supporter you are also contributing to nitrates
You are contributing anyway but it's not fair to attack non Sinn fein farmers

Aswell as that,its shaky ground given where the by product of diesel laundering ends up

S.F.s pals were always interested in using fertiliser

McMurphy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think people taking out 100% mortgages on houses they could never afford. Or building mansions in the middle of nowhere was part of the problem as well......

As I said before, it didnt matter which party was in power at the disaster, none of them knew what was coming. If so we would of had loads of discussions in the Dail.

No point talking about the disaster after it happened

Even today you have people complaining that they cant get a 100% mortgage anymore,.....government cant stop stupidity!!!

I agree with you, Ireland's plight wouldn't have been any different had FG had been in power at the time.

all about the mane

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

And yet your shower still can’t get within an ass’s roar of government. I suppose ye would have to want to... hilarious

Shefwedfan

McMurphy wrote: »

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

I think people taking out 100% mortgages on houses they could never afford. Or building mansions in the middle of nowhere was part of the problem as well......

As I said before, it didnt matter which party was in power at the disaster, none of them knew what was coming. If so we would of had loads of discussions in the Dail.

No point talking about the disaster after it happened

Even today you have people complaining that they cant get a 100% mortgage anymore,.....government cant stop stupidity!!!

McMurphy

Mortelaro wrote: »

Unless it was with FG oversight
Do you not believe in rehabilitation of politicians at all at all

Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys?

Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

[Deleted User]

Mortelaro wrote: »

If you arent an organic farmer then as a SF supporter you are also contributing to nitrates
You are contributing anyway but it's not fair to attack non Sinn fein farmers

Aswell as that,its shaky ground given where the by product of diesel laundering ends up

Never said i wasnt,but i am upto 30% under my designated limits....i dont have to rent land on paper to enable me to lash out fertilizer/slurry at home....in theory i could take in slurry etc,but imo my land isnt suitable alot of year for it

As for diesl laundering,im suprised the state deosnt just wipe it and smuggling out overnight by tightening up cross-border VAT rules even just on fuel??

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

FF know that they cannot compete with FG, who are doing a great job.

Please elaborate on this.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Lot of rumbles that all is not well in the green camp .FF needed a fresh face in there, a lot of their younger members doing great work in their respected areas but they are a long way off even becoming TD's.

Hearing something similar, I know the green party candidate in this area (failed to get elected) and I don't think they're too united as a party at present, watch this space greens in a FFG coalition govt ain't going to happen.

A new election later in the year or national government is what's going to happen.

Whether the electorate will thank FFG for dragging this charade out during a "once in a lifetime" pandemic remains to be seen.

Mortelaro

McMurphy wrote: »

Hehe no need to go back to the 1800s, nine years would be grand, someone could also ask Leo if he's ready to put Delaney back in charge of the FAI if he's done a deal with Michaél and making it possible for him to become Taoiseach.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1224826375355367431?s=19

Unless it was with FG oversight
Do you not believe in rehabilitation of politicians at all at all

Mortelaro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not at all,but i obey rules (be also well below my nitrate limits too)

Land saturated this year and i could hear lads out in middle of night spreading slurry weeks before opening date

If you spread slurry,the night before 35mm of rain forecast onto already saturated land,you dont have to be member of mensa to know where its going to end up??

If you arent an organic farmer then as a SF supporter you are also contributing to nitrates
You are contributing anyway but it's not fair to attack non Sinn fein farmers

Aswell as that,its shaky ground given where the by product of diesel laundering ends up

tikkahunter

McMurphy wrote: »

I agree - but as I already said Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon as the leader has to convince the rest of them to go along with potential political annihilation for something he has been promised, ie they get shafted so he can be a minister?

Not going to be convinced myself.

It'll be back to the polls or a national government of unity.

Also where the hell are FF atm? Practically zero from Michaél as past days - are they happy enough to be seen as letting the tail wag the dog?

Lot of rumbles that all is not well in the green camp .FF needed a fresh face in there, a lot of their younger members doing great work in their respected areas but they are a long way off even becoming TD's.

[Deleted User]

McMurphy wrote: »

I agree - but as I already said Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon as the leader has to convince the rest of them to go along with potential political annihilation for something he has been promised, ie they get shafted so he can be a minister?

Not going to be convinced myself.

It'll be back to the polls or a national government of unity.

Also where the hell are FF atm? Practically zero from Michaél as past days - are they happy enough to be seen as letting the tail wag the dog?

FF know that they cannot compete with FG, who are doing a great job.

McMurphy

Mortelaro wrote: »

And how in 1823 Baron Sheckleton had a lettuce grower imprisoned
Or that the seeds have sold out in shankhill as an FG supporter bought more than his fair share
Or that the hens in ballyferriter in 82 may have ate something genetically modified that blew in from Leo's great uncles garden in India on a strong easterly once

Yes many important questions from people that just don't get the greens..

Hehe no need to go back to the 1800s, nine years would be grand, someone could also ask Leo if he's ready to put Delaney back in charge of the FAI if he's done a deal with Michaél and making it possible for him to become Taoiseach.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1224826375355367431?s=19

[Deleted User]

Mortelaro wrote: »

Are you an organic farmer?

Not at all,but i obey rules (be also well below my nitrate limits too)

Land saturated this year and i could hear lads out in middle of night spreading slurry weeks before opening date

If you spread slurry,the night before 35mm of rain forecast onto already saturated land,you dont have to be member of mensa to know where its going to end up??

Mortelaro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whats point in saving planet if.they are just going to help ff/fg poision it and every river here??

Are you an organic farmer?

Mortelaro

McMurphy wrote: »

Wonder if anyone will ask Eamon how he felt when the news broke they leo interfered in the planning application for a wind farm so as Donald Trump's business investment wouldn't suffer.

And how in 1823 Baron Sheckleton had a lettuce grower imprisoned
Or that the seeds have sold out in shankhill as an FG supporter bought more than his fair share
Or that the hens in ballyferriter in 82 may have ate something genetically modified that blew in from Leo's great uncles garden in India on a strong easterly once

Yes many important questions from people that just don't get the greens..

[Deleted User]

blanch152 wrote: »

From a Green perspective, given the opposition to a carbon tax from the likes of Sinn Fein and PBP, as well as the nuttiness of some of the rural independents, FF and FG offer the best route to getting their policies implemented.

Again though, in talking about building an organisation to "progress to next level", you are showing that you have little understanding of what the Greens are about. Progressing to the next level isn't their objective, saving the planet through policy implementation is.

Greens havnt even concensus in their own party about carbon taxes??

Sticking a 5er on a bag of coal or cutting suckler numbers isnt going to save the planet :pac:

They are completly silent,particularly eamonn ryan about the widespread flaunting of nitrates and slurry spreading rule.....the rivers suir,nore and barrow (essentially glanbia hinterland) are up 80% in traces of nitorgen in last 5 years since abloshlion of milk quotas

Of 35 iirc water schemes tested in donegal late 2018....every single one tested above limits for MCPA

The list of damage we are doing to ireland that can be fixed is v.long....our carbon emissions if reduced to zero,would be wiped in a month by chinese increases

Whats point in saving planet if.they are just going to help ff/fg poision it and every river here??

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

It is not the case that climate change is coming fast, it is more that it is like a large ship heading for an iceberg, the earlier you turn away from it, the easier it is.

Wonder if anyone will ask Eamon how he felt when the news broke that leo interfered in the planning application for a wind farm so as Donald Trump's business investment wouldn't suffer.

blanch152

Melanchthon wrote: »

Well then we are doomed because Ireland is a droplet in terms of the global population.

I don't think most people who take these lines actually believe it, you know how it's obvious, they never talk about implementing infrastructure and policies to help us survive as a society the changes that are coming in the next number of years.
If you genuinely think it's rolling down the line soon your not going to want a foreign aid budget (unless it's tied to reducing population) your going to want to be building geothermal and nuclear that can operate in very bad weather, your going to want to start building serious coastal defences now, your going to want to start looking at GMO crops and a complete change in farming practices for when Irelands weather becomes more like Ontario/up-state New York.

Climate change is real but if it's genuinely coming down the line as fast as they say we shouldn't be pissing about around the edges as Ireland is legitimately too small to make a difference, we should be looking to survive it as a 1st world country. Green types never follow through with their own predictions logical conclusions

It is not the case that climate change is coming fast, it is more that it is like a large ship heading for an iceberg, the earlier you turn away from it, the easier it is.

munsterlegend

aido79 wrote: »

That's true but they'll always have the DUP to blame in the north. It's always someone else's fault.

That’s true of any party to be fair. In the north as well you have the British give to blame who in this crisis thus far have been a mess.