all about the mane wrote: » We'll all be dead
Mortelaro wrote: » Meanwhile strong hints from Eamon Ryan that the greens are going into government on morning Ireland just now
McMurphy wrote: » As I said - Eamon has to worry about the rest of the party sacrificing their careers in politics so Eamon can get a ministerial position. Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon is Eamon - you are failing to separate the two. .
McMurphy wrote: » As I said - Eamon has to worry about the rest of the party sacrificing their careers in politics so Eamon can get a ministerial position. Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon is Eamon - you are failing to separate the two.
all about the mane wrote: » The greens want to get policies implemented. They don't want to sit on the fence frothing at the mouth. Leave that to SF.
Mortelaro wrote: » you do realise that as a provisional member, you don't get a vote on this or anything for a year, so signing up 100s of shinners is a waste really You may start lobbying Blanch instead
Shefwedfan wrote: » Doubt it, more of a line a Tubs: "Oh I was very sick" ML " Really Thank God you survived but I was sicker" Tubs" Thank God, tell us how sick" ML: "Very very sick, but lets talk about CHANGE" (que random placed sinners in crowd to start roaring) Tubs " Yes, Change what does that mean to you" ML " Change is what the people want" (que random placed sinners in crowd to start roaring) Tubs "So during your illness did you think about cha Dribble would be the best description of what i expect The most hard hitting question will be Tubs "So how did you do your shopping while sick?"
McMurphy wrote: » The greens want to get policies implemented? That's why they come up with a list of wishes that are not even remotely plausible and won't come within an asses roar of being implemented. There's s thread about their impossible wishlist on this very forum - read up on it before spouting the above nonsense. The Greens can say "we tried" knowing full well they're asking the impossible, then FFG will have to try codding someone else to be their patsy, and when they realise the rest of them aren't schmucks either it'll be back to the polls or a national government of unity. You read it here first. You might want to run this past me again, as it makes zero sense to me - provisional member of what ?
tikkahunter wrote: » Wonder what low hanging fruit that he might be able to squeeze in. He has obviously been promised something.
McMurphy wrote: » You might want to run this past me again, as it makes zero sense to me - provisional member of what ?
The greens want to get policies implemented? That's why they come up with a list of wishes that are not even remotely plausible and won't come within an asses roar of being implemented.
Mortelaro wrote: » Ok new green members are provisional for 12 months So you can't sign up and vote no (or yes) If its agreed, it will be implemented over a 5 year term and I'd expect the protest vote to shrink You don't seem to get the greens at all They go for policy implementation by whatever means available They are principled in that regard If they can get agreement
blanch152 wrote: » The concept of the Greens actually being more interested in policy implementation than their future electoral prospects is beyond the comprehension of any of the posters around here who support Sinn Fein. However, that is the case. I know from talking to a recent Green candidate who wasn't elected that they are seriously worried that it would be too late in five years time to bring about the change required if they don't go in now.
blanch152 wrote: » Not really, we can see what a dog’s dinner they have made of this crisis up North with the Irish Times saying that deaths are running at 40% more than down here.
blanch152 wrote: » However, that is the case. I know from talking to a recent Green candidate who wasn't elected that they are seriously worried that it would be too late in five years time to bring about the change required if they don't go in now.
Deleted User wrote: » If greens are building an organisation/movement,how can it ever progress to next level if it lets itself periodically be wiped out to rubberstamp ff/fg decisions?? They arent going to implement a green agenda,only fill em with compliments and sh1te and promise of someday doing it,this will end in tears and greens tearing emselves apart imo What 5 green party policies will be enacted in next 6 to 12 months,this is surely a reasonable barometer to measure off?? Id like to be wrong,but i think varadkar is much more astute than eamonn ryan and will eat him alive
aido79 wrote: » That's true but they'll always have the DUP to blame in the north. It's always someone else's fault.
Melanchthon wrote: » Well then we are doomed because Ireland is a droplet in terms of the global population. I don't think most people who take these lines actually believe it, you know how it's obvious, they never talk about implementing infrastructure and policies to help us survive as a society the changes that are coming in the next number of years. If you genuinely think it's rolling down the line soon your not going to want a foreign aid budget (unless it's tied to reducing population) your going to want to be building geothermal and nuclear that can operate in very bad weather, your going to want to start building serious coastal defences now, your going to want to start looking at GMO crops and a complete change in farming practices for when Irelands weather becomes more like Ontario/up-state New York. Climate change is real but if it's genuinely coming down the line as fast as they say we shouldn't be pissing about around the edges as Ireland is legitimately too small to make a difference, we should be looking to survive it as a 1st world country. Green types never follow through with their own predictions logical conclusions
blanch152 wrote: » It is not the case that climate change is coming fast, it is more that it is like a large ship heading for an iceberg, the earlier you turn away from it, the easier it is.
blanch152 wrote: » From a Green perspective, given the opposition to a carbon tax from the likes of Sinn Fein and PBP, as well as the nuttiness of some of the rural independents, FF and FG offer the best route to getting their policies implemented. Again though, in talking about building an organisation to "progress to next level", you are showing that you have little understanding of what the Greens are about. Progressing to the next level isn't their objective, saving the planet through policy implementation is.
McMurphy wrote: » Wonder if anyone will ask Eamon how he felt when the news broke they leo interfered in the planning application for a wind farm so as Donald Trump's business investment wouldn't suffer.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Whats point in saving planet if.they are just going to help ff/fg poision it and every river here??
Mortelaro wrote: » Are you an organic farmer?
Mortelaro wrote: » And how in 1823 Baron Sheckleton had a lettuce grower imprisoned Or that the seeds have sold out in shankhill as an FG supporter bought more than his fair share Or that the hens in ballyferriter in 82 may have ate something genetically modified that blew in from Leo's great uncles garden in India on a strong easterly once Yes many important questions from people that just don't get the greens..
McMurphy wrote: » I agree - but as I already said Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon as the leader has to convince the rest of them to go along with potential political annihilation for something he has been promised, ie they get shafted so he can be a minister? Not going to be convinced myself. It'll be back to the polls or a national government of unity.Also where the hell are FF atm? Practically zero from Michaél as past days - are they happy enough to be seen as letting the tail wag the dog?
McMurphy wrote: » I agree - but as I already said Eamon isn't the green party, Eamon as the leader has to convince the rest of them to go along with potential political annihilation for something he has been promised, ie they get shafted so he can be a minister? Not going to be convinced myself. It'll be back to the polls or a national government of unity. Also where the hell are FF atm? Practically zero from Michaél as past days - are they happy enough to be seen as letting the tail wag the dog?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Not at all,but i obey rules (be also well below my nitrate limits too) Land saturated this year and i could hear lads out in middle of night spreading slurry weeks before opening date If you spread slurry,the night before 35mm of rain forecast onto already saturated land,you dont have to be member of mensa to know where its going to end up??
McMurphy wrote: » Hehe no need to go back to the 1800s, nine years would be grand, someone could also ask Leo if he's ready to put Delaney back in charge of the FAI if he's done a deal with Michaél and making it possible for him to become Taoiseach. https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1224826375355367431?s=19
Deleted User wrote: » FF know that they cannot compete with FG, who are doing a great job.
tikkahunter wrote: » Lot of rumbles that all is not well in the green camp .FF needed a fresh face in there, a lot of their younger members doing great work in their respected areas but they are a long way off even becoming TD's.
Mortelaro wrote: » If you arent an organic farmer then as a SF supporter you are also contributing to nitrates You are contributing anyway but it's not fair to attack non Sinn fein farmers Aswell as that,its shaky ground given where the by product of diesel laundering ends up
Mortelaro wrote: » Unless it was with FG oversight Do you not believe in rehabilitation of politicians at all at all
McMurphy wrote: » Let's recap so, FF wrecked the economy back in the late 00s, were decimated at the polls, FG came along (but needed labour as they didn't have the numbers themselves) got 5 years governance , lost the next election campaign, could only govern with FFs permission, and now find themselves as the having the 3rd highest number of seats, after FF and Sinn Féin, and now FF are ok to handle the economy again but only if FG become their lackeys? Oh my how the mighty have fallen.
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