Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » In work, no time to waste 15 minutes watching it. If you can't describe what's so terrible then it's not worth posting it.
lawrencesummers wrote: » His talking. That’s what’s terrible.
duploelabs wrote: » 160,000 million Americans? I guess you missed the adding part of schooling
Billy Mays wrote: » I seem to remember big don saying something eerily similar a couple of weeks ago notobtuse, be honest now for once Are you Donald Trump?
notobtuse wrote: » Thanks for catching that... it's 160 million Americans. That's almost half the country, by the way. But Nancy Pelosi keeps getting her paycheck from the government to sit home, eat ice cream out of her massive $24,000 refrigerators, and order the democrats to block the Paycheck Protection Plan funding... while Americans starve.
duploelabs wrote: » Is Donald Trump opening up his hotels for front line workers who need a place to stay so they can stay isolated?? No he's not
notobtuse wrote: » Well, even with the coronavirus shutting almost everything down the campaign process continues. Since Joe Biden seems to be his worst enemy, I guess Trump is just hoping Joe speaks even more. So instead the Trump campaign sets their sight on Nancy Pelosi who basks in glory and opulence while 160,000 million Americans are about 3 months away from bankruptcy. Great ad… Every American should be outraged at Nancy and the democrats.Let them eat ice cream ~ Nancy Antoinette
Quin_Dub wrote: » It wasn't quite as simple as that now was it? What were the GOP looking to include the latest bill and what were they trying to block? As you have repeatedly laid ALL of the blame for the delay on the Democrats , be complete in the details on what the areas of disagreement were when you are apportioning blame..
Cody montana wrote: » Does trump live in a hut? Over 45 thousand dead due to trumps incompetent and lies but but but Nancy has ice cream!!!!
notobtuse wrote: » Why don't you tell me what the democrats wanted in it and what the GOP wanted. It sure as hell won't make the democrats look good, let me tell you. Anyway here is the real reason democrats blocked funding from the PPP... "I think what you're hearing from all of us on the call is that we have real concerns about giving away leverage now without getting some of the priorities that we need" (I’ve got to give Democrat Representative Jayapal credit for her willingness to speak the truth). Hmmm, helping out small businesses and people losing their jobs OR political leverage. Apparently Democrats favor political leverage.https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1252571957977063424 Even Joe Biden has called the crisis an "opportunity" for "structural" change on climate and voting. Democrats really don’t care about middle America, do they?
For now, Republicans leaders want to keep this measure narrow, focused exclusively on giving a $250 billion boost to the Paycheck Protection Program, an effort aimed at providing small businesses and nonprofits with forgivable loans. Democrats, meanwhile, think the small business money should be spread across a couple different programs, and want more funds added to the legislation including $100 billion for health care providers, $150 billion for states and cities, and more support for SNAP. Republicans have argued that it would be easier and more efficient to approve the money for small businesses independently — and they note that funds for states and hospitals from the CARES Act are still being doled out. “That by definition is a clean bill,” McConnell said in a floor speech. “I want to add money to the only part of our bipartisan bill that is currently at risk of running out of money.” Democrats, however, disagree. They noted that the Paycheck Protection Program is not the only effort that needs more money. The Economic Injury Disaster Loan Program, which includes $10,000 in forgivable advances for the businesses that qualify, also requires replenishing. There are concerns, too, about how the existing $349 billion designated for PPP has been allocated: Democrats are pushing for some of the new funds to be set aside for community-based lenders, so more businesses can access these loans since larger banks like Bank of America have put limitations on who can apply. Plus, while the CARES Act had already allocated money to health care providers and states and cities, Democrats note that it’s far from enough to make up for the lost revenue that these institutions are experiencing because of the coronavirus outbreak. In addition to the $100 billion that the CARES Act has for hospitals, and the $150 billion it has for states, Democrats are interested in adding more to cover costs like medical supplies and tax losses. “We’ve heard from our health care providers that they’re ready to close the doors,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD). “They can’t stay in business today, it’s urgent.”
notobtuse wrote: » Stick to the issue... Democrats have spent the last 10 actively BLOCKING GOP efforts to fund the Paycheck Protection Program while it ran dry, and millions of Americans can’t pay bills or buy food.
Quin_Dub wrote: » You were the one laying all the blame at the Democrats feet , but OK.. What did the Democrats want that the GOP were blocking?From here So - The Democrats wanted to add Money for Healthcare Providers Support for Cities and States More Money for the SNAP program Additional Funding for the "Economic Disaster Loan Program" That list "sure as hell won't make the democrats look good" in your mind does it? - We have a VERY different view of the world , clearly. Also , bear in mind that part of the reason they need to re-fund the PPP is because Multi-Billion dollar organisations like Shake Shack and others somehow qualified for a "Small Business" fund. In fairness to Shake Shack , they are now giving that money back following the negative press they got , but haven't seen much from the other "Mega Corps" in terms of giving the money back..
Democrats want to use the leverage they have in Congress so that Republicans don’t just approve more money for small businesses while leaving out other programs that also desperately need more funding.
notobtuse wrote: » Vox is a rabid far left wing propoganda entity. Regardless… lets look at the content:
notobtuse wrote: » As usual attacking the source not the content. The usual ploy for those who... GOT NOTHING!
notobtuse wrote: » What does any of that have to do with the Paycheck Protection Program? If democrats want money for their pet projects and democratic states who have mismanaged their finances (like underfunded pensions) then democrats should go after that in new legislation and let the PPP be for what it is meant for... Helping small businesses and getting funds to people out of work so they can pay bills and buy food. Yes some businesses like Shake Shack got money they didn't deserve. But they gave it back. Yes, there needs to be an investigation and fine all those businesses who unfairly took advantage of the plan, but it shouldn't stop people in desperate need of money getting it before they all go bankrupt.
notobtuse wrote: » Vox is a rabid far left wing propoganda entity. Regardless… lets look at the content: What does any of that have to do with the Paycheck Protection Program? If democrats want money for their pet projects and democratic states who have mismanaged their finances (like underfunded pensions) then democrats should go after that in new legislation and let the PPP be for what it is meant for... Helping small businesses and getting funds to people out of work so they can pay bills and buy food. Yes some businesses like Shake Shack got money they didn't deserve. But they gave it back. Yes, there needs to be an investigation and fine all those businesses who unfairly took advantage of the plan, but it shouldn't stop people in desperate need of money getting it before they all go bankrupt.
Quin_Dub wrote: » ahem... But just for balance - Here's EXACTLY the same information fromUSA TodayABC NewsCBS NewsNPR Funding Healthcare Providers and SNAP are "Pet Projects" Seriously? Does it say anything anywhere about only giving money to Democrat controlled States? Maybe if the GOP had not insisted that most of the 1st tranche of Funds went to bail out massive Corporations or to give tax breaks to the 1% there would be more money available for the Great American Worker[(tm) that the GOP suddenly seem to care about so much.
notobtuse wrote: » All Left, but that's beside the point. Where do any of them note that the democrats have been blocking funding for the PPP the last 10 days? Biased much.
notobtuse wrote: » What does any of that you noted have to do with the Paycheck Protection Program that desperately needs funds in order to get into the hands of people needing to pay bills and buy food as quickly as possible?
notobtuse wrote: » Here’s an article from The Hill about democrats and republicans maneuvers regarding the PPP. The Hill is rated by Allsides as “Center.” Allsides provides articles by media sources and notes whether the entity is Far Left, Left, Center, Right, Far Right (bias rating). Democrats don’t look very good, do they?https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493077-republicans-go-on-attack-as-loans-for-small-businesses-start-to-run-out
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » From the poster who earlier said Like donny, theres always a tweet/post
Quin_Dub wrote: » There is absolutely nothing in that article that wasn't detailed in each and every one of the other links that I have already shared, so not seeing the value add here. And , no it doesn't make the Democrats "look bad" as you seem so determined to want everyone to feel. As I already said - The Democrats feel that the other items are equally important and could be dealt with in the same legislation. And given that McConnell is already indicating that he's going to start blocking additional funding , it certainly sounds like they are right to hold out for the funding they are looking for right now as if they give the GOP what they want , McConnell is then going to shut up shop and block any new requests. So if they don't get it now , they might never get it. Tell me , if the Democrats just relented and allowed the PPP bill to go through as is and McConnell then blocked the requests for funding for SNAP etc. (as he is already indicating he is likely to do) would you be on here being as Vitriolic about him as you are about Pelosi ?? I mean it's all about getting the poor families what they need, right?? How dare he.
notobtuse wrote: » Grasping at straws. You bolded the wrong line. I'll help you out...'Regardless… lets look at the content'I'm betting you haven't accepted Pluto not being a planet.
notobtuse wrote: » NO it couldn't be dealt with in the same legislation. That would take too long, much compromise, and too many revisions. That stuff was for ANOTHER DAY!
