McMurphy wrote: » This was most likely the initial response from a sizeable chunk of the FG party when they first got a glimpse of the estimated cost of the NCH too. No doubt leo and chums will be calling in a few favours from DOB, it's not like he doesn't owe them afterall.
Idbatterim wrote: » you are bang on about the pension time bomb and the situation is made even worse, by this new bombshell! Yet what did we keep hearing about pre - election, lowering the age back down ? Jesus. FFG neednt talk about prudence!
christy c wrote: » Just a few clarifications. The pension "bogeyman", do you disagree that there is a time bomb given our aging population? Or is taxing the rich and something about Dinny going to solve that? Having to sign on for a year is stupid though I do agree. Also about people not working: approx 1 in 6 households had no adults of working age in employment. That's seems quite high to me, certainly not minuscule. How that arose and how many are genuine I'm not sure, but it definitely does put a strain on the rest of us. Are there issues with FG and in the country? Absolutely, someone paying a prince's ransom for a sh1thole could definitely attest to that. But let's not take a George Lee outlook on everything.
christy c wrote: » Is that all? Thought it would be a lot more.
smurgen wrote: » Roughly 115 million Eur spend per month is the estimate we’re looking at for the private hospital use cost to the state. At least Leo has it firmly under control: “It may be right or it may be wrong. It is an accurate estimate but it is not necessarily what the actual cost will be because we will not know that until the end, when the costs are calculated.”
Bowie wrote: » So you are okay with the tax payer taking a hit while FG look after their own with sweet deals and jobs? How about we simply act off of a sense of value for money? Let's be fiscally conservative. FG's fiscal conservatism means austerity for the public and blank cheques for everything else. Pensions is a good one. Working tax payers are in many cases needing state aid and many more just managing to get by. Then we've the bogeyman of pensions hanging over us and ignorant people like Leo 'had to borrow off my parents' Varadkar wondering why more folk aren't saving towards their pension. Maybe if rents weren't so nuts and property not used by the wealthy for investment, or people got a decent living wage they might be able to put a bit away. The FG way is to cut you to the quick for private profits and then point fingers at retirees by making them sign on for a year and look down on them for not having a private pension. Have a think about that. These are the so called fiscal conservatives. Cutting the legs out from under you then looking down on you because you need a dig out. you would think it was their money, mind they do use the tax payer as a buy in for private gain. Who doesn't work? The sick, pensioners. How many are we talking that choose not to work, have you numbers? With such high employment why are you whinging about a likely minuscule number and who built and runs the system you are giving out about, Gino whoever the f*** or FF/FG? CE Scheme :rolleyes:
Bowie wrote: » The Green's like Labour after them sat on their hands for much of what FF/FG did. How can you criticise the Greens while giving FG and in association FF, a free pass? The SD's were formed out of Shortall, a then Labour TD having enough of Labour turning a blind eye to FG. How on earth is that sitting on the fence? In fact going in with FF/FG and letting them go wild is what the Greens and Labour did. We'd have been better off if they had sat on the fence rather than going in with FF/FG and sitting on their hands for the most part. 'FG didn't cause Covid 19'. Are you serious? Is that where your head is at? It's how FG swoop and take advantage of the tax payer during and after crises that's the problem with them. Look if you do alright by FG and have no concern for those who don't, sure go on, but don't try justify it past looking after yourself. By supporting FG people are spending tax money to make private profits.
landofthetree wrote: » Who else will pay? :rolleyes: I dont do well by FG. I start paying the high rate of tax at a very low level to pay. Under SF it would be even lower, Its the people who dont work that get everything for free which is disgusting. Full employment and we still have people on CE schemes.
Bowie wrote: » The Green's like Labour after them sat on their hands for much of what FF/FG did. How can you criticise the Greens while giving FG and in association FF, a free pass? The SD's were formed out of Shortall, a then Labour TD having enough of Labour turning a blind eye to FG. How on earth is that sitting on the fence? In fact going in with FF/FG and letting them go wild is what the Greens and Labour did. We'd have been better off if they had sat on the fence rather than going in with FF/FG and sitting on their hands for the most part.'FG didn't cause Covid 19'. Are you serious? Is that where your head is at? It's how FG swoop and take advantage of the tax payer during and after crises that's the problem with them. Look if you do alright by FG and have no concern for those who don't, sure go on, but don't try justify it past looking after yourself. By supporting FG people are spending tax money to make private profits.
RandomViewer wrote: » I'm seeing big problems with Fine Gaels nylon trousered grassroots, how will they manage the sight of their beloved Mickey Ring corroded in the shadow of Callearys brow, or their blessed Mother Josie bespoiled by a rutting Chambers, or Heather Humphrys heffalumps bristled by a bould Willie, they'll be rattling rosaries and dry cleaned sashes at the thought of FF/FG beast with two backs straddling the beleaguered nation.
landofthetree wrote: » The Greens were in government from 2007 to 2011. They made a total mess of it. The SDs are just Lab people who want to sit on a fence. SF claimed they could spend an extra 22billion by 2025. FG didn't cause the mess left by FF/Greens in 2011. Nor C19.
landofthetree wrote: » Agreed. Spending without reform is a load of crap! 2016 to 2020 public spending increased by 13 billion with no reform. No election manifesto had any real element of reform in it. Let's cut out giving gifts to the likes of the sky sports GAA. 30mil for a stadium in cork that full a couple of times a year was insane. FG waste a lot but the rest want to waste more.
Idbatterim wrote: » they can do amazing things for companies books and impoverish those that in hindsight foolishly voted for them the previous two elections! Idiots like myself, naieve enough to think , they could actually mean business on sorting out issues here, like they said they would!
Bowie wrote: » Backwards. What SF, Green, SD, PBP government caused a financial crash, put us in generational debt, bail out private bondholders, blame us, engage in rampant costly cronyism, create quangos, commit fraud, cost the tax payer billions due to incompetence, oversee year on year record breaking crises while looking after their own? Balance the books my hole. Take your head out of the 'Vote vote vote for Devalera!' clouds. FG and company will be the ones making money on this while we suffer austerity. 'We're all in this together' my arse.
landofthetree wrote: » What use are SF Greens SDs PBP etc now? We have a budget deficit of 20billion for 2020. Only FG have shown they can balance the books.
Mortelaro wrote: » Much as I find Oliver Callans kicks funny and sometimes Waterford whispers, they give all parties a Right going over for spitting image style comedy It's not meant to be anything other than that The charctertures of the poll hoovering Healy Raes being a case in point in both shows Callans kicks 2016 election take off of Gerry Adams one of their funniest as was Enda Kenny and Michael Noonan up in a loft with Angela Merkel arriving banging at at the door to the sound of luftwaffe and air raid sirens during that crash
Fine Gael’s Real ’10 Key Aims For Government’ Revealed ‘The Crisis’ will now replace ‘Brexit’ as our future excuse for not following through on any promises”. “Stress the need for housing, but plough on as normal, remaining a landlords, developers and pension funds wettest of wet dream”. The document ends with “Power. Glorious power. Ours forever” mixed in with a appears to be an ancient incantation which has the potential to summon the Greek God of Austerity.https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/04/16/fine-gaels-real-10-key-aims-for-government-revealed/
Mortelaro wrote: » Shush! The memo says FF,FG,Labour and gene pool independents or more than half of voters don't count They are power swap voters Scum basicallyCubaesqe mindset in reality
blanch152 wrote: » That only confirms the stereotype of Shinnerbots dominating Twitter.
christy c wrote: » Would power swap electorate not be a more appropriate term?
