Mardy Bum wrote: » The Junior Cert plan has to be a cover to keep students studying for 6 weeks. Who in their right mind thought it was viable.
Benicetomonty wrote: » https://t.co/eGYxxz9vhV?amp=1 The NAPD nailing their colours to the wall, retweeting this article. Not that I totally disagree with him. Just to ask the question: if it was decided that the LC cannot go ahead in july/august, how can the educational calender of 2020/2021 be saved unless predictive grades are used?
acequion wrote: » What are you implying by this? That on top of working from mid June to the end of July we'll all be in invigilating in August? And then back in September correcting our own JC? Have people gone totally crazy or is there really no limit as to what teachers are expected to do?
Treppen wrote: » Yes And Yes
km79 wrote: » Hope we get a report back from SC today with some clarity around a few of the issues/serious concerns they intend to address
RealJohn wrote: » Literally anything else. I’ve said before (not sure if it was this thread or another one), letting students award their own grades, with schools having the ability to reject the students’ decisions, and make them do it again if they’re too generous to themselves, would be better than predicted grades by teachers. I’ve half a mind to award all of my students H1s if they try to force that upon me. Postponing the exams further would be better. Allowing them to do the exams online, from home, would be better. Taking their junior cert results and extending them to the leaving cert would be better. Literally, almost anything would be better.
Benicetomonty wrote: » Im thinking most schools will have uploaded results from xmas and summer tests. They would possibly represent the fairest assessments of a student's progress given they would be free from post Covid reconsideration. They could be part of the equation. Then some sort of formula that would also consider the mocks could be devised, then add on 5 or 10pc for context.
Dylan94 wrote: » What would happen though with two different 6th year classes in a subject. Teacher A has the full course covered and marked mocks/exams somewhat generously to improve students confidence. Teacher B has 75% of the course covered and also marked very hard to frighten students to work harder. Two students who worked equally as hard and with same ability levels would get two very different results.
Benicetomonty wrote: » Postponing not going to be an option I dont think.
Benicetomonty wrote: » Online exams not a runner. Broadband too poor in too many places.
Benicetomonty wrote: » Junior Cert descriptors you mean, as they would be for several subjects?
Benicetomonty wrote: » Im thinking most schools will have uploaded results from xmas and summer tests. They would possibly represent the fairest assessments of a student's progress given they would be free from post Covid reconsideration.
Benicetomonty wrote: » Then some sort of formula that would also consider the mocks could be devised, then add on 5 or 10pc for context.
Benicetomonty wrote: » It would be a disaster and Id imagine there would be legal issues all over the shop.
km79 wrote: » An “update “ from our leader https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVgXRwlOwQc&fbclid=IwAR0caAVsIheevWyR6_XEFfWLLsH5Yp1l3YzvIPb_29zy1FSMonvG9nF6v7g I don’t even have the energy left to comment on that See ye in July All of it
RealJohn wrote: » Why not? Well, my initial q was based on the hypothetical that the next academic year would not be sacrificed, so thats why. And some sort of contingency would be needed for those but that doesn’t make it an automatic non-runner. What percentage of students don’t have phones with internet access? It would be a long way down the list but not impossible. Its not an option without shipping students to hubs where broadband is adequate. 4 or 5g is just as unreliable in remote areas as broadband functionality or availability. Doing an exam on a phone where diagrams may have to be drawn etc is not feasible. No, I mean their junior cert results. This year’s leaving certs didn’t do any junior cycle subjects (other than English, I think), and anyway, the junior cycle subjects have a terminal exam, marked in the traditional way, so those results would, at least, be reliably, anonymously, impartially marked. How do you grade English so? Margins between descriptors are laughable so good luck converting a higher merit into a H whatever. How would they? Different schools, and indeed, different teachers in the same school could have given different tests, marked them to different standards, and importantly, most teachers have little or no real experience marking exams properly, because most choose never to mark for the SEC. It would be completely unfair on the students to have people of varying degrees of competence, essentially picking the grades out of thin air, based on their own perceived expertise. If you accept (and youre entitled not to) that the exam cant happen in its traditional format then any kind of standardisation goes out the window. I think most teachers would put a reasonable degree of effort into their corrections with due consideration to a pupil's work ethic, effort and potential. I know I do. Obviously, it would have to be written in blood that it would be a once off. Dont disagree that it sets a precedent but thats just something that will have to be fought if and when that time comes.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Does she not have access to her teachers? Obviously not right now as everyone is on Easter Holidays but outside of that? Online using microsoft 365 - I'm not sure what that entails. I'm assuming its like zoom and a whole load of children are all on at the same time. That works for some children but not for my daughter - she needs the focus and accountability of actual school plus I'm not sure how much time they get - it certainly isn't 5 or 6 hours like a normal school day. For my daughter, its just not enough.
Dr. Gill Wyness, UCL Institute of Education wrote: I find evidence that the system of predicted grades is inaccurate. Only 16% of applicants achieved the A-level grade points that they were predicted to achieve, based on their best three A-levels. However, the vast majority (75% of applicants) were over-predicted – ie their grades were predicted to be higher than they actually achieved. Students from disadvantaged backgrounds and state schools are more likely to be over-predicted, whilst those at independent schools receive more accurate predictions. However, accuracy varies dramatically according to the A-level attainment of the student with lower attaining applicants far more likely to have their grades over-predicted. Therefore, after controlling for prior attainment and background characteristics, students from state schools are actually less likely to be overpredicted than those in independent and grammar schools. Meanwhile, at the top of the attainment distribution, grades are slightly more likely to be under-predicted, and among these high-attaining students, applicants from low income backgrounds are significantly more likely to have their grades under-predicted than those from high-income backgrounds.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Lads, you know nothing about my daughter - I won’t give too much away here but she clearly is not an academic / studious child - some children can’t self study and she finished school on 13 March - 5 weeks out of school so far - could be out for another 2 months, that’s close to 4 months out of school and she is then expected to turn around and do the most important exam of her 12 years of schooling. And by the way rainbowtrout I said earlier she wasn’t going to college, she didn’t apply to CAO I think what this pandemic has shown Is that there is not one solution to all problems. I hope the solution that is found favours the needs of the children, not the system.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Lads, you know nothing about my daughter - I won’t give too much away here but she clearly is not an academic / studious child - some children can’t self study and she finished school on 13 March - 5 weeks out of school so far - could be out for another 2 months, that’s close to 4 months out of school and she is then expected to turn around and do the most important exam of her 12 years of schooling.And by the way rainbowtrout I said earlier she wasn’t going to college, she didn’t apply to CAO I think what this pandemic has shown Is that there is not one solution to all problems. I hope the solution that is found favours the needs of the children, not the system.
