annamarie2013 wrote: » Rumblings on the radio and in the paper this morning that our Minister might not be in the final line up after the upcoming cabinet reshuffle.
km79 wrote: » http://twitter.com/Steve_360_/status/1250149891269185539 I think that’s a pretty good summary of the current LC “plan”
mirrorwall14 wrote: » Christ. Just what we need Anyone got any advice on what to plan for third years.... I'm over and back on it. TBH I'm not sure there is any longer any benefit in setting them weekly revision work. Its too far out from the exam now and I think it may actually put them off. Maybe just stick to daily classroom content in maths and music and no additional revision? But them I'm not sure do I officially suspend revision or just not check it... My head is fried
randylonghorn wrote: » What can you do with them that is broadly relevant to JC curriculum but still relevant to / a good foundation for 5th year / LC? Just a thought, mind you, and from someone who doesn't teach at second-level, so feel free to :rolleyes: and ignore!
mirrorwall14 wrote: » But normally they’d be following a revision plan too. I’m not sure there’s any point now
randylonghorn wrote: » None whatsoever, if we're looking at a silly JC-in-house-test-for-the-sake-of-it-scenario. Worst of both worlds imho. Either cancel it to hell altogether (which leaves 5-7k students who won't do LC with absolutely nothing to show for their school years) or hold proper JC exams. Anything in between is just political tomfoolery.
km79 wrote: » That is why I can’t for the life of me work out why they haven’t just cancelled it Unless is intentionally in their as a bargaining chip so the unions can be seen to get a “win” on that one
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Clearly you didn't read my post properly - I said give ALL the children a pass LC (if they fulfill the criteria I mentioned), if they want it so that they have a LC (not a mickey mouse piece of paper) so they can do PLC courses, work or apprenticeships and get on with their lives. Then do exams, when safe to do so, for the children that want to go to college for points - there is no other reason to sit exams only for points. Personally I think they should do a matriculation exam for college entry - like we used to.
rainbowtrout wrote: » You know, you have a very shortsighted view of education. A lot of kids who don't go on to third level still want to have a Leaving Cert and take pride in passing those exams. PLCs look for LC grades, where apprenticeships are competitive, the ones with the better LC will be picked over the ones who don't. How does the lad who wants to apply for an ESB apprenticeship prove that he has a decent capability in maths for example if he has no Leaving Cert to show that? To join an Garda Siochana you must have a Leaving Cert with 5 passes including Maths and Irish or English. Want to cut that route off to students who don't want to go to third level as well? If you want to become an EMT you have to have a Leaving Cert with 6 passes including a science subject? Let's cut that route off too. A cert saying they attended school for five years doesn't cut it, it doesn't differentiate them from the rest. It doesn't differentiate the student who might have found school difficult but worked hard to get average grades from the student who spent five years swinging on a chair at the back of the room doing nothing. Even for those who go out and work, passing 7 subject in the LC tells an employer that they have a work ethic and stuck it out. It's awful to think that you think that those students don't deserve to have their achievements recognised and that only the ones going to third level should be afforded an exam that can open doors for them. It's quite elitist really.
randylonghorn wrote: » All true C, but draw your fking horns in, lass. If I had a kid who was asthmatic I'd be scared as fk right now. And I wouldn't fking apologise for it to anyone either!
rainbowtrout wrote: » There's a difference between not wanting your child to sit an exam because they have a health issue (understandable) and saying that kids who aren't going to college shouldn't sit the Leaving Cert and just be given a certificate of attendance.
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Why can't a LC be issued based on the last two years of school - mock results, test results and school work completion. It won't be a worthless piece of paper - it will be based on completion of work. Teachers can provide this information. School should be about educating yourself - not just the ability to complete an exam at the end of 12 years. And yes, my daughter is asthmatic and she won't be sitting in a classroom anytime soon. She's actually terrified of leaving the house due to all the conflicting information online. We should remember that these are children, they do not have the life skills to deal with issues like most adults do and saying man up, is not going to make it any easier for them. They suffer from anxiety, mental health issues, self harming etc, things we never dealt with when we went to school. I don't have all the answers but leaving them in limbo, with limited access to tutoring is not the way to go. I think its a ****ty way to treat them.
political analyst wrote: » How about having all primary and secondary schools repeat the academic year at their respective levels - and thus delaying the entry of infants into primary school by a year - so that this year's LC students can repeat the academic year and thus sit the exams next year?
TheDriver wrote: » It would unfortunately push life on a year forever plus no graduates in 4 years time for anything. Lots of college lay offs. No space in ecce.
Jajadog wrote: » Wrt predicted grades, teachers had no problem predicting my 3 children’s grades (during exam years) at any parent teacher meeting we went to. The predictions were volunteered by them without us ever asking for them . Most actually proved right, have one sitting LC this year and once again we were told by teachers at his parent teacher meeting what the expected grades would be.
political analyst wrote: » Ecce?
Treppen wrote: » I reckon the department will leave it to 'local arrangements' as regards Junior Cert. Schools will inevitably consult parents and the consensus will be to scrap it for this year and carry on. Department are doing us all a favour by not scrapping it now. Only a few weeks teaching left so let's just play along and teach out the course for the junior certs. Organising in-house junior cert exams at the start of a new year will never fly. Sec can keep whatever papers they can for next year.
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » All of this years LCs doing the exam next June with that cohort just cannot happen. 120,000 doing the LC? So many issues. Students who thought they were done with school in a few weeks having to put their lies on hold for a year? In the school I work in, TY is compulsory so most students are 18 already and quite a few are 19. Imagine being 20 and still in school? Points for courses would sky rocket
