Anon165 wrote: » The nutting squad, sort of similar.
Anon165 wrote: » I can see how it could be Liam, YouTube auto captions reckons it says, "fair play today". It does sounds like it starts with an L.
Fedcba321 wrote: » Where does aidy mulholland fit into all this your mans house it was at? Is liam the suspected shooter Cos he owed the money or did he set it up? And this is old news from few days ago but I didn’t post it people were posting it big had so much money why did he do tiger kidnappings. He made €600,000 ina night how many months would it take him to make that with drugs , while also having a way higher chance of trouble with someone as he’s dealing with other criminals not innocent people
[Deleted User] wrote: » No doubt about it. Did the Provos have an equivalent of the Shankill Butchers in their outfit?
armaghlad wrote: » Romper rooms were used for anyone as far as I can tell. There’s one that always sticks in my mind, early 90s a young women tortured off the Donegall road in south Belfast. Her crime? Being mistaken for a catholic. Beaten, tortured, shot in the head and left in a wheelie bin. The provos get a lot of hate on boards but they never intentionally targeted innocent Protestants and mutilated and murdered them with the same venomous hatred that loyalists did.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I would have assumed too that "romper rooming" would be the prime choice of disposal for a traitor like Craig. Wonder did they have too much respect for him...hardly...or just wanted him dead ASAP and not to miss their chance by drawing it out.
John_Gill wrote: » The CP video. He says "fair play to ya" It could be Dee, Lee, Liam. It's not clear as day. No way he's gonna name the shooter. To me it sounds like fair play to ya Dee
OOnegative wrote: » You’ll never see in a lifetime the amount of money Jack makes in one week
Dwarf.Shortage wrote: » I know we're not dealing with the committee of Mensa or anything but he's surely not stupid enough to name the shooter in a video.
Paul_Crosby wrote: » Aye mate I got him and Legge confused, should have double checked before speaking, I think just because the UDA were fond of a good "romper rooming" of their victims in their bars I had it in my head Craig went that way because of his "treason", **** knows how many people they tortured in that place over the years
Paul_Crosby wrote: » I know (or should I say heard from a reliable source) that the guy who stiffed Murphy pulled off another pretty big hit but I forget who that was Aye Jim Craig was suspected because he had forged links with the INLA and had set up other loyalists he saw as a threat, he set up Shankill UDA man William "Bucky" McCullough, who got shot by INLA hitman and future IPLO member "Bronco" Downey, Bronco once walked out of the Hatfield bar minutes before two Provos came in with AKs to kill him during the "Night of the Long Knives" on Halloween when the Provos purged the IPLO from existence William McCulloughs son Alan was one of the lads who fled with Johnny Adair but he shot up Adairs safehouse in Bolton and was told he could come back, Adairs former mate Mo Courtney and Ihab Shoukri murdered him and did some time for it When the UDA found out Craig was playing both sides they asked him down to the Bunch of Grapes bar and tortured him to death (they called it getting "romper roomed", after the kids TV show) I'm not certain if Craig set him up though I would say it was probably the UVF higher ups, definately a suspect however[/quote All smoke and mirrors as they say so anything was possible,on the day Murphy was released his men had a welcome home party in their drinking club,there was a guy in the bar who Murphy didn't like the look of he beat him near to death then dragged him out the back and drove his car back and forth over the man until he was dead.Then went inside and carried on drinking,this on his first day out of prison he went on a killing spree again and I suppose needed to be stopped even by his own one evil cxxt! Yeah agree with your above post Geordie legg then got stiffed/tortured to death in the bunch of grapes also..nice pub! Craig's name was in the frame for John McMichael also
dd973 wrote: » The late David Irvine was an intelligent working class Loyalist, rare enough in itself, most of them are special school material. Once saw him interviewed where he said 'We've more in common with them on the other side of that peace wall than we have with the English, Welsh and Scots' another time he said 'Why do we hate people we don't know or mix with, is that normal?' He was still unremittingly Unionist in outlook however he was prepared to question things and become open to dialogue. I'm pretty sure the sort of rabble rousing militant Troubles era Loyalism is slowly ebbing away although their criminal element remains, people like Dee Stitt and Jamie Bryson aren't really the same as what went before when things were grim.
Deleted User wrote: » I'm just an observer here, no info, but have read a lot of material about The Troubles. I'm not disputing you or your info or experience, but having read about the murder of Jim Craig before I'm surprised to read the above account. The 'official' accounts I have read give him a far quicker death - He was summoned to the meeting, where 2 lads in ski masks came in with autos, opened fire and killed him instantly, one bystander also got killed and a few others wounded. A fella called Geordie Legge was tortured and murdered there in 2001, but this is the first time I've read that account about Craig's death. Edit: Lol, I'm way late with this.
Paul_Crosby wrote: » John McMichael who Craig set up was a rare beast in the UDA in that he actually wanted to find some reconcilliation between the two communities, even penned an acclaimed paper called "Beyond the Religious Divide: The future of Northern Ireland" so of course Special Branch let him go to the wall, they didn't need any peace makers making trouble
Paul_Crosby wrote: » Ah it was UDA man Geordie Legge they tortured there, my mistake, they've probably tortured about 50 people in that bar easy mistake to make
Paul_Crosby wrote: » I know (or should I say heard from a reliable source) that the guy who stiffed Murphy pulled off another pretty big hit but I forget who that was Aye Jim Craig was suspected because he had forged links with the INLA and had set up other loyalists he saw as a threat, he set up Shankill UDA man William "Bucky" McCullough, who got shot by INLA hitman and future IPLO member "Bronco" Downey, Bronco once walked out of the Hatfield bar minutes before two Provos came in with AKs to kill him during the "Night of the Long Knives" on Halloween when the Provos purged the IPLO from existence William McCulloughs son Alan was one of the lads who fled with Johnny Adair but he shot up Adairs safehouse in Bolton and was told he could come back, Adairs former mate Mo Courtney and Ihab Shoukri murdered him and did some time for it When the UDA found out Craig was playing both sides they asked him down to the Bunch of Grapes bar and tortured him to death (they called it getting "romper roomed", after the kids TV show) I'm not certain if Craig set him up though I would say it was probably the UVF higher ups, definately a suspect however
Deco Barry wrote: » What are the chances they were off their heads at that hour of the morning though
Paul_Crosby wrote: » What are the chances they'd have searched the car if they stopped?
Omackeral wrote: » I’d go along with this sentiment. It’s not the case anymore by any means but certainly was going back a decade or so. Fellas would pretty much bend the knee to them in the yard and would be terrified to tackle them in a game of ball. One time Dessie ballooned the ball into the air and it got caught up in the barbed wire and burst. Some new young lad only in goes “look what ya did ya bleedin thick”, obviously not knowing who he was. Pure hush came over the place. Dessie just laughed and goes “sorry about that kid!” and they all cracked their hole laughing. Fella was paranoid for days after!
IRE60 wrote: » meanwhile, back in the capital:https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-people-arrested-and-two-firearms-seized-after-car-fails-to-stop-at-covid-19-checkpoint-39127151.html
Banana Republic. wrote: » I doubt RL’s “gang” will be venturing north to take out the killer, more plausible is the lads up north taking away someone whose brought heat to their area. Either way I wouldn’t say he’s strutting around like RL was after the KMW Murder. He’s obviously done well to be rid of the murder weapon so must have previous or at least assistance in those matters.
Patrick2010 wrote: » "Craig was shot dead by two gunmen from the UDA in "The Castle Inn" (later called "The Bunch of Grapes"), a pub in Beersbridge Road, east Belfast on 15 October 1988,[6] to where he had been lured in the belief that there was to have been a UDA meeting.[4] He was playing pool in the pub at the time of his fatal shooting by the two men, both of whom were wearing boiler suits and ski masks and carrying automatic weapons.[4][16] Upon spotting Craig they opened fire, spraying the room with gunfire. Craig died instantly; a bystander pensioner was also murdered in the attack, and four other bystanders were wounded by stray bullets. The UDA claimed the killing was carried out due to Craig's "treason" and involvement in John McMichael's murder as they knew he had provided the IRA with information to successfully carry out the assassination. They apologised for the unintentional death of the pensioner.[4] Craig was not given a paramilitary funeral, and none of the UDA's command attended it.[16] No torture there
Paul_Crosby wrote: » ""This was a horrific and callous murder, carried out in close range and in broad daylight" As opposed to a friendly and cheerful murder carried out from long range at night? I love these paint by numbers statements
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