FrancieBrady wrote: » Why? It isn't a comparison as far as I can see. And he isn't a leader in the north. Are we running away with ourselves a bit here.
all about the mane wrote: » Wow, that’s some luck in the teeth for the shinners around here!
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are not going to believe Murphy...where does that leave us? The HSE have to say what happened. I am not talking about an Inquiry, I am talking making inquiries into what happened. Murphy has said what he believes happened...you don't accept that. What now? Yes..you want him to agree to your version of what happened. Stop being ridiculous, we simply need both sides of the story. :rolleyes:
jh79 wrote: » Inquiry into what exactly from the HSE perspective? They never said a contract had been finalized. PM made a claim and has access to the relevant documents, he is in a position to clarify why he claimed an order was in place. P.S. PM is a foreign politician and owes me no explanation. It's just funny to me how you have a different standard for SF politicians.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Varadkar is doing alright amongst the Nordies......they have him ahead of O'Neill. Even the Nationalist/Republicans have him ahead of O'Neill - if he's as bad as SF make out, how bad must she be!
Pkiernan wrote: » I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages. What's going on?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yes. And he has done. He was at processing payment stage when it emerged/he was told the order could not be processed. The HSE were obviously involved at some level here. When looking for transparency you need to hear from both party's. Basic proceedure for any fair inquiry...no? p.s. You seem to be saying you will only be satisfied if he confirms what you think happened.
jh79 wrote: » So he said it was agreed (not the HSE) and as you say it could mean anything so wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that CM explains what he meant by agreed and at what stage of the process they were actually at when he made his announcement?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Don't be adding to what we know. He said 'agreed'. That could mean anything. The HSE said a joint order was not able to be placed. They didn't say whether one had been agreed or not.
jh79 wrote: » I don't why the HSE need to explain anything. They never said a contract had been finalized. Connor Murphy did so he should show us the signed contract or explain why he made the announcement before it was finalized.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The HSE said an 'order could not be placed'. I haven't seen anything else from them. Murphy seems to be saying the order went south after he had agreed on it and had been processing payment. Would you process payment without a contract? Short answer is I don't know what to believe and I will say again there needs to be transparency here. Which is what I was asked about. One side can't give that. Asking Connor Murphy to confirm your suspicions isn't transparency, unfortunately.
jh79 wrote: » Maybe he's not very good at his job.
jh79 wrote: » Did the HSE say a contract was in place , if not what do they need to clarify? All PM has to do is clarify if he went public prior to the contract being signed.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What perplexes me is what gain there was for Murphy when it was going to be apparent very quickly that no PPE was coming.
FrancieBrady wrote: » But what good would that do for people who don't believe a word they say. We need clarity and that is going to involve definitive statements from both party's involved. As it always does. What perplexes me is what gain there was for Murphy when it was going to be apparent very quickly that no PPE was coming.
jh79 wrote: » I agree SF need to explain what happened.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » No, it's not the same - the 2m rule is based on scientific facts relating to droplet and aerosol spread, likewise handwashing with soap, is not a guideline - its a fact because the lipid corona of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is broken down by soap and detergent. Untreated folded cotton is not a recognised public health control measure - if people want to advocate otherwise they should indicate as much.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The journalist is saying that from my reading of it. Here is the BBC's reporting what he said: It does require transparency and clearing up.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Good luck, I won't be indulging you in your lies on this anymore.
jh79 wrote: » Mr Murphy said officials from the Republic of Ireland were forced to go ahead with an order for the equipment after global powers, including USA and India, entered the race for PPE, before a joint order was agreed with Northern Ireland. That is your answer right there. He announced it before it was agreed.
On Friday afternoon, Mr Murphy said he had agreed to process an order for PPE with Dublin from China last week, and was arranging the transfer of payment when a number of "significant players had moved in", thwarting the order.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So YOU say. But others say different. It's like washing hands or even the 2 meter rule, some washing of hands is better than none, some distance is better than none. They are guidelines, not hard scientific methods of not catching the virus. As is a mask.Nobody suggested these were medical standard safeguards...just another deterrent in the absence of better.
smurgen wrote: » No that was in relation to Harris saying we'd be testing 15 k.do you now agree he was foolish to say that?
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » That's the whole point - it doesn't! Healthy people reading it are going to think a mask provides protection, therefore they can go into situations where they shouldn't because they're wearing a carefully folded bandana over their mouths.....or because other people are wearing them, even though, at best a folded home-made mask only catches 50% of virus particles being shed through respiration.....not good if you happen to run into a super-spreader.
smurgen wrote: » Christ some reaching you're doing to excuse this away. gowns with three-quarter length sleeves, leaving arms exposed should be easily spotted.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Murphy has explained what happened on his end. Was there an order agreed...the HSE don't say..only that it proved impossible to 'place' an order. Which tallies with what Murphy said. If he is lying then we clearly have to ask the HSE if an order was agreed or not. And, I will say it again, I think we should know the answer.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Sorry, but where in that final article you linked does it say Harris and/or the HSE bought PPE rom Alibaba?
jh79 wrote: » It's not the South that have to answer it, CM made the claim not the HSE.
Mr Murphy said officials from the Republic of Ireland were forced to go ahead with an order for the equipment after global powers, including USA and India, entered the race for PPE, before a joint order was agreed with Northern Ireland. "Yesterday afternoon, despite the best efforts of all involved, I received confirmation the order would not be fulfilled through this route," he said.
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