Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All about the Mane has news you might be interested in. I remember earlier people were claiming that all our pharma companies were at capacity etc etc.

Seems one has found the time. Mad what can happen in a crisis.

Yes, you'll see I've responded to his post.

And look who they worked with - Lilly!!

Mad that they went with an established manufacturer with the requisite expertise instead of adopting SF's AMDWD (Any Medical Device Company Will Do) policy - it's almost as if they knew this stuff can't be knocked together by anyone with a few test tubes and a bit of salt

In fact, happy to be corrected, but I don't Lilly do medical devices (maybe insulin pumps) - which shows that competencies are not transferable.

smurgen

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Where would you have bought PPE during a global pandemic when demand overwhelmingly exceeds supply?

I'm sure you can name an alternative that would've supplied first rate kit?

Or is this just more hurling from the ditch?

Don't blame me for Leo and Harris' boo boo. As far as I know most of the issue is 3/4 length gowns . If they can source midget nurses and doctors it might be grand.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Yes, you'll see I've responded to his post.

And look who they worked with - Lilly!!

Mad that they went with an established manufacturer with the requisite expertise instead of adopting SF's AMDWD (Any Medical Device Company Will Do) policy - it's almost as if they knew this stuff can't be knocked together by anyone with a few test tubes and a bit of salt

In fact, happy to be corrected, but I don't Lilly do medical devices (maybe insulin pumps) - which shows that competencies are not transferable.

So not all pharma companies are at capacity. One has had time to develop something.

And people here argued long and hard that it was 'hurling from the ditch' to inquire or stupid to suggest that it could be made here.

smurgen wrote: »

Don't blame me for Leo and Harris' boo boo. As far as I know most of the issue is 3/4 length gowns . If they can source midget nurses and doctors it might be grand.

So nothing to offer by way of an alternative.

Funny, by the way you were criticising the honest efforts of others, I thought you might have had a line on a secret stash of PPE the HSE missed - guess you had nothing to offer.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So not all pharma companies are at capacity. One has had time to develop something.

And people here argued long and hard that it was 'hurling from the ditch' to inquire or stupid to suggest that it could be made here.

Ok, this has been explained to you.

Many companies are at capacity. A lot, maybe all, are at planned capacity - they can generate short lifts in capacity through various means and more permanent uplifts through changes that take a long time to engineer.

There is a difference between "capacity" which is transient, and production ceilings which are fixed.

Companies are not profitable if they operate below capacity - spare capacity, as you know as a business person, is wasteful - it eats cash, erodes margins and leads to efficiency deteriorations.

Think of it this way - production capacity is near and small, production ceilings are big and far away.

Capacity, near and small.....

Ceiling, big and faaaaar away.

smurgen

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So nothing to offer by way of an alternative.

Funny, by the way you were criticising the honest efforts of others, I thought you might have had a line on a secret stash of PPE the HSE missed - guess you had nothing to offer.

I don't have a stash but it's not my job. Also if I was buying I'd make sure to do due diligence in advance especially after other countries had warned they'd been burnt.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Ok, this has been explained to you.

Many companies are at capacity. A lot, maybe all, are at planned capacity - they can generate short lifts in capacity through various means and more permanent uplifts through changes that take a long time to engineer.

There is a difference between "capacity" which is transient, and production ceilings which are fixed.

Companies are not profitable if they operate below capacity - spare capacity, as you know as a business person, is wasteful - it eats cash, erodes margins and leads to efficiency deteriorations.

Think of it this way - production capacity is near and small, production ceilings are big and far away.

Capacity, near and small.....

Ceiling, big and faaaaar away.

Which is spinning and not what was being said earlier. Any comment suggesting that kits or reagent be made here was roundly rubbished.

I don't want to listen to that defensive argument again, thanks all the same, just saying.

There are obviously things that can be done in a crisis that are not the ordinary, normal way of doing things. We are all in this together...including pharma companies I presume.

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

There has been a major breakthrough in reagent production though in Cork. Will help address worldwide shortages. Brilliant result.

Wonder where the Harris pulled the 15k out of? Some howler that was.

Hurrache

smurgen wrote: »

Like Harris and co buying ppe off Alibaba?

That was idiot Cosgrave.

all about the mane

smurgen wrote: »

Wonder where the Harris pulled the 15k out of? Some howler that was.

What are you raving about now?

smurgen wrote: »

I don't have a stash but it's not my job. Also if I was buying I'd make sure to do due diligence in advance especially after other countries had warned they'd been burnt.

So Dr Ryan of the WHO was wrong then when he said

“Be fast, have no regrets. You must be the first mover. The virus will always get you if you don’t move quickly,” Dr Ryan said.

“If you need to be right before you move, you will never win,”

“Perfection is the enemy of the good when it comes to emergency management,” Dr Ryan said.

“Speed trumps perfection.

“The problem in society we have at the moment is that everyone is afraid of making a mistake. Everyone is afraid of the consequence of error.

“But the greatest error is not to move. The greatest error is to be paralysed by the fear of failure.”

.......but sure what would he know.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which is spinning and not what was being said earlier. Any comment suggesting that kits or reagent be made here was roundly rubbished.

I don't want to listen to that defensive argument again, thanks all the same, just saying.

There are obviously things that can be done in a crisis that are not the ordinary, normal way of doing things. We are all in this together...including pharma companies I presume.

Sorry, I can't make it any simpler.

And if we're all in this together how come SF are still coming out with distracting nonsense like Tully's statement yesterday?

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So Dr Ryan of the WHO was wrong then when he said

.......but sure what would he know.

You just leapt all over a SF rep who you reckoned made a mistake. A bit hypocritical and protective of one party...no?

Ballso

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So Dr Ryan of the WHO was wrong then when he said

.......but sure what would he know.

Are you suggesting we should take the opinion of the head of the World Health Organisation ahead of smurgen here? What are you, some kind of Tory?

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Sorry, I can't make it any simpler.

And if we're all in this together how come SF are still coming out with distracting nonsense like Tully's statement yesterday?

Right back at you!

“Be fast, have no regrets. You must be the first mover. The virus will always get you if you don’t move quickly,” Dr Ryan said.

“If you need to be right before you move, you will never win,”

“Perfection is the enemy of the good when it comes to emergency management,” Dr Ryan said.

“Speed trumps perfection.

“The problem in society we have at the moment is that everyone is afraid of making a mistake. Everyone is afraid of the consequence of error.

“But the greatest error is not to move. The greatest error is to be paralysed by the fear of failure.”

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You just leapt all over a SF rep who you reckoned made a mistake. A bit hypocritical and protective of one party...no?

What? I genuinely have no idea what you are alluding to here?

I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of conducting full due diligence in a procurement exercise during a pandemic.

Ballso

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

What? I genuinely have no idea what you are alluding to here?

I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of conducting full due diligence in a procurement exercise during a pandemic.

He ironically thinks we should weight the opinion of a "SF rep" equally with the head of the WHO.

Like I was saying earlier, delusional.

Ballso wrote: »

Are you suggesting we should take the opinion of the head of the World Health Organisation ahead of smurgen here? What are you, some kind of Tory?

No, I'm not for one minute suggesting we take the opinion of the of the WHO ahead of Smurgen.......don't be ridiculous!!

I'm suggesting we take the opinion of Executive Director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme ahead of Smurgen's.

Ballso wrote: »

He ironically thinks we should weight the opinion of a "SF rep" equally with the head of the WHO.

Like I was saying earlier, delusional.

I never mentioned the 'head of WHO'.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Right back at you!

Yeah, still not got a scooby-doo what you're driving at, but as you seem happy in yourself you should just continue.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Yeah, still not got a scooby-doo what you're driving at, but as you seem happy in yourself you should just continue.

I don't believe you.

smurgen wrote: »

Don't blame me for Leo and Harris' boo boo. As far as I know most of the issue is 3/4 length gowns . If they can source midget nurses and doctors it might be grand.

I think Finland just discovered that all 10 million masks from China were defective, understand that is all Simon Harris’ fault as well.

aido79

smurgen wrote: »

Ireland is one of the biggest manufacturers or ventilators internationally. Metronic has it's global headquarters here and the plant in Galway manufacturers them.

How many do they manufacture weekly/monthly/annually?

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

No, I'm not for one minute suggesting we take the opinion of the of the WHO ahead of Smurgen.......don't be ridiculous!!

I'm suggesting we take the opinion of Executive Director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme ahead of Smurgen's.

Ballso wrote: »

He ironically thinks we should weight the opinion of a "SF rep" equally with the head of the WHO.

Like I was saying earlier, delusional.

When did Smurgen become a SF rep?

I thought only DavyCc and maccored held that elevated status?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't believe you.

Nope, genuinely mystified.

Dr Ryan is Executive Director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme. He's decades of experience dealing with pandemics. The quote was from his recent interview that went viral.

I posted to rebut the idea that in times like this there's time for full due diligence in procurement.

I doubt there is anyone in SF is fit to tie his shoe laces, but he's talking about moving, acting with a purpose - SF are just adding to the noise.

If somehow you think that his advice represents a vindication of SF calling for "medical device companies" to make reagent, then I'd suggest you've drinking too much of whatever it is some SF-led, medical device company has cooked up.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Nope, genuinely mystified.

Dr Ryan is Executive Director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme. He's decades of experience dealing with pandemics. The quote was from his recent interview that went viral.

I posted to rebut the idea that in times like this there's time for full due diligence in procurement.

I doubt there is anyone in SF is fit to tie his shoe laces, but he's talking about moving, acting with a purpose - SF are just adding to the noise.

If somehow you think that his advice represents a vindication of SF calling for "medical device companies" to make reagent, then I'd suggest you've drinking too much of whatever it is some SF-led, medical device company has cooked up.

Ryan wasn't just talking about procurement, he was talking generally about responses to the crisis and 'emergency management.

It may have escaped your attention but SF are part of the Opposition and have a duty to over-sight, criticism and suggestion.

They need to speak, 'without fear of making a mistake' too.

But not in the Sultan's selective view, which protects one wing of the parliament. If the opposition makes a mistake in Sultan's view then they are to be derided and demeaned.
In other words, Sultan is being hypocritical.
Perhaps Sultan thinks the Opposition should be silent in admiration of their masters?

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Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

I think we can see from SF's "step up" call and Tully's statement yesterday just how much SF don't know about the pharmaceutical industry.

Doubtless they'd have accepted any colouredy water waved in front of them

The SF line on this is genuinely bizarre. it's a step above homeopathy.

I know of one production line in Ireland that took 5 years to get approval on from day 1 to first product being produced. 5 years. The checks and balances are incredibly onerous.

Sure, some timelines can be speeded up, but there is still a minimum time needed to get these systems operational.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ryan wasn't just talking about procurement, he was talking generally about responses to the crisis and 'emergency management.

It may have escaped your attention but SF are part of the Opposition and have a duty to over-sight, criticism and suggestion.

They need to speak, 'without fear of making a mistake' too.

But not in the Sultan's selective view, which protects one wing of the parliament. If the opposition makes a mistake in Sultan's view then they are to be derided and demeaned.
In other words, Sultan is being hypocritical.
Perhaps Sultan thinks the Opposition should be silent in admiration of their masters?

Yes SF need to speak, but on nearly every occasion they remind me of someone who only opens his mouth to prove he is a fool.

One of the more sobering aspects of the outbreak in the UK is the effect that Brexit had on the outbreak. Not only did the Johnson rush to exit by January 31st distract, but the failure to attend meetings of health officials and Ministers in the following weeks only exacerbated the problem. There is no doubt that had the UK participated in those meetings and been a part of the EU, then Cheltenham would have been postponed and the effect on this country would have significantly lessened.

Furthermore, this wasn’t a result of Brexit per se but a result of the Brexit pursued by Johnson and I have no doubt that the more cautious pursuit of Brexit by May would not have resulted in those mistakes.

Why is that relevant to this thread? Well, quite a number of the SF supporters on here, cheerleaded the Johnson approach to Brexit. Once again, the short-sighted approach of SF is shown up for the failure it will always be.