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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Búllsh1t
You made the comment
Own it ,I've attached it again
Your Sinn Féin zeal isn't infallible
You just tried some fake news

WTF: It actually says it was a health official that said it.

And it doesn't say that the government HAVE NOT taken the advice no matter how much you want it to.

Sultan_of_Ping

Floppybits wrote: »

tell me what experience do FG and FF have in delivering major change projects on time and within budget?

All I can see is FG and FF failing in this.

The new Central Mental Hospital (€170m) came in on time and on budget
M11 extension (€400m) - compare that to the A5!!!
TU "Quads" project (€220m)

....and the public sector is totally sh1t at project management (about as competent as the Swiss and Germans), but don't be fooled into believing that there aren't people out there in SF who are more than capable of plumbing new, unheralded, depths of incompetency when it comes to governing large scale, publicly funded projects.

Currently we might be comparable to the Swiss and Germans when it comes to PM'ing projects - it would be great if we could be more like the Nordics - but SF would make us more like the Venezuelans

Suckit

Mortelaro wrote: »

And if they were trying to form a government, SF would be saying they're an arrogant power swap party
Which is it?

Who cares what SF say about them? FG don't, so why not try running with the most constructive at the time?
Because, as mentioned, they were like a petulant schoolkid after being scolded.

You do realise that you can compare any past scenario to how people might have reacted if the opposite were to have happened?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where is the 'accusation' that they were not taking all the advice?
That was a quote actually from Holohan or De Gascun on their role...nothing more.

Búllsh1t
You made the comment
Own it ,I've attached it again
Your Sinn Féin zeal isn't infallible
You just tried some fake news

Sultan_of_Ping

Deleted User wrote: »

Go on, explain how. There's always someone ready to play the victim card I suppose.

.....and if you think partitioning the island hurt us, just wait until we get the bill for re-unification - Dermot Ferriter (who, according to some, is a sage, if he is criticising Varadkar so I'll assume he is an unimpeachable source on such matters) suggested as much in a recent article

What that [SF's] analysis omits, however, is the thorny issue of who would pay for the current British subvention of Northern Ireland. Economists have come up with different perspectives on this, but a seamless transition without significant economic upheaval would seem a fantasy.

FrancieBrady

john4321 wrote: »

Dr Nina Byrnes

https://www.nkmanagement.ie/dr-nina-byrnes---profile.html

Correct...top of the class!

Ha Long Bay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can't think of her name, she is a regular contributor and I think represents a GP body. Blonde lady.

Dr Nina Byrnes

https://www.nkmanagement.ie/dr-nina-byrnes---profile.html

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

I didn't see her. He's always critical so hard to take any notice of what he says.

Can't think of her name, she is a regular contributor and I think represents a GP body. Blonde lady.

aido79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, although he too was fairly critical of what is happening. I was referring to a female doctor on the night before last.

I didn't see her. He's always critical so hard to take any notice of what he says.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ah an opinion was it
An opinion with no evidence whatsoever
It was fake news
I've attached the post,you implied in trumpian fake news style that the government only implement some of the health officials advice (that would be NPHET)
Fake news arising out of your Sinn fein devotion and FG hate

L 0 L

Where is the 'accusation' that they were not taking all the advice?
That was a quote actually from Holohan or De Gascun on their role...nothing more.

And if you listened to the Doctor on last night's Tonight show I think it was the O'Leary guy referenced by somebody a few posts ago, he was DEFINITELY saying that the government was ignoring the advice from private consultants/hospitals and forging through damaging measures.

Floppybits

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So, that's still a "no" and as I predicted someone went straight for the whataboutery card and the children's hospital.

SF have zero track record of successfully delivering major change projects, if they didn't someone would've pointed to an example when asked.

I wouldn't trust them with a bed pan, don't mind our whole health system.

tell me what experience do FG and FF have in delivering major change projects on time and within budget?

All I can see is FG and FF failing in this.

[Deleted User]

hmmm wrote: »

SF learned their lesson during the financial crisis, and are keeping their mouths shut so they can tell us what they would have done when things inevitably go wrong. It's important they say nothing now just in case they get it wrong themselves.

Pretty much. It's terribly depressing but utterly predictable.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well that is totally 'fake news' because I don't think I ever typed the word Nphet and if I said they hadn't taken all the public health advice, it was an opinion.

Ah an opinion was it
An opinion with no evidence whatsoever
It was fake news
I've attached the post,you implied in trumpian fake news style that the government only implement some of the health officials advice (that would be NPHET)
Fake news arising out of your Sinn fein devotion and FG hate

As is your opinion that I will always believe they are failing at their job. I direct you to the Brexit threads were I consistently praised the performance of several FG ministers.

L 0 L

mattser

hmmm wrote: »

SF learned their lesson during the financial crisis, and are keeping their mouths shut so they can tell us what they would have done when things inevitably go wrong. It's important they say nothing now just in case they get it wrong themselves.

The ultimate hurlers on the ditch. Shirk responsibility at all costs, but mouth and perma whinge all the while.

hmmm

SF learned their lesson during the financial crisis, and are keeping their mouths shut so they can tell us what they would have done when things inevitably go wrong. It's important they say nothing now just in case they get it wrong themselves.

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

Are you talking about Dr Michael O'Keefe?

No, although he too was fairly critical of what is happening. I was referring to a female doctor on the night before last.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

They'll always be failing in their job in your eyes though
In the FG thread you accused them of not taking all the Nphet public health advice, With no evidence At All to back that up
You pushed fake news
Such is the strength of your Sinn Fein devotion and fine Gael hate

Well that is totally 'fake news' because I don't think I ever typed the word Nphet and if I said they hadn't taken all the public health advice, it was an opinion.

As is your opinion that I will always believe they are failing at their job. I direct you to the Brexit threads were I consistently praised the performance of several FG ministers.

[Deleted User]

Mortelaro wrote: »

They'll always be failing in their job in your eyes though
In the FG thread you accused them of not taking all the Nphet public health advice, With no evidence At All to back that up
You pushed fake news
Such is the strength of your Sinn Fein devotion and fine Gael hate

This is a serious problem. The Governments of the last decade are being compared to what an ideal Government would do at every step of the way.

Life doesn't work like that. All of us make mistakes as we go along.

Long term, the last two Governments got a lot more right than wrong, imo, and found the time for serious social reform, not all of which I personally agreed with, but sin é, that's the lot of Government.

aido79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Your looking down your nose (reminisccent of a party led by Leo) view of the trolley crisis was blown out of the water by a doctor last night on the Tonight Show.

Are you talking about Dr Michael O'Keefe?

mattser

Mortelaro wrote: »

They'll always be failing in their job in your eyes though
In the FG thread you accused them of not taking all the Nphet public health advice, With no evidence At All to back that up
You pushed fake news
Such is the strength of your Sinn Fein devotion and fine Gael hate

The Sultan fairly handed them their arses on a plate the past few days. When the hard questions are put they back off. Great to watch.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not sure what your point is.
I am a democrat, I will abide by what is done democratically. I may not agree with it though and will agitate...hurl from a ditch...moan...shout in the press (whatever dafuq that means) and complain. I will also uphold my right as a democrat to hold government to account and to arbitrate for change if they are failing at their job, which is to create a fair and inclusive society for everyone.

They'll always be failing in their job in your eyes though
In the FG thread you accused them of not taking all the Nphet public health advice, With no evidence At All to back that up
You pushed fake news
Such is the strength of your Sinn Fein devotion and fine Gael hate

Mortelaro

Suckit wrote: »

FG couldn't even pull their heads out of their backside to attempt to form a government here after the last GE. They were like petulant schoolkids scolded for underperforming.

And if they were trying to form a government, SF would be saying they're an arrogant power swap party
Which is it?

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reality is, to varying degrees, we are all victims of partition.

Go on, explain how. There's always someone ready to play the victim card I suppose.

Suckit

I honestly don't understand the people that keep bring NI up in relation to how things are/were running up there.
FG wouldn't have the balls to run up there and enter the race (irrelevant whether or not thy would want to).
SF are in government with DUP, not exactly known for getting on with each other, and Westminster not particularly fond of dealing with them either.
FG couldn't even pull their heads out of their backside to attempt to form a government here after the last GE. They were like petulant schoolkids scolded for underperforming.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

So there is no Irish Language Act and the nurses doing without their pay rise did so in vain. Ah well.

Oh you really dealt with the point so well there blanch. You are everything that's wrong with the power swap party's. You want an Ireland for some, not for all.
And you'll pretend that you favour the Greens...i.e. an ideological coward.

I voted for SF and for this round of elections I remain proud of that vote and what it stands for. The quest for an Ireland for us all.
What the pandemic has proved is that we can all work for that (or the vast majority can) given the chance. Sad that it has taken that. And uplifting that FF/FG cannot so far railroad others into maintaining their cynical attempt to take advantage of the pandemic.
Sure, they might convince the Lowry's etc to bolster them...but in the medium term what is that going to achieve? I'd be surprised if FG and FF backbenchers will allow tbh. It's the ultimate kiss of death from politicians looking out for their short term careers. (Michael and Leo to name two)

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

I actually voted for FG,FF,Soc Dem and green
They got 4 out of the 5 seats in my constituency, so I'm not complaining
Democracy in action as always
I should imagine as always arising out of the national picture a representative majority administration and opposition will rise,not one extreme or the other
Happy enough with that ,positive, no moaning to be honest:)

Not sure what your point is.
I am a democrat, I will abide by what is done democratically. I may not agree with it though and will agitate...hurl from a ditch...moan...shout in the press (whatever dafuq that means) and complain. I will also uphold my right as a democrat to hold government to account and to arbitrate for change if they are failing at their job, which is to create a fair and inclusive society for everyone.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You would be the first tapping on your keyboard if they didn't compromise and here you are tapping furiously because they did.

Any change in northern Ireland came slow and painfully. Maintaining position as the people's choice is the litmus test imo. And SF have passed that test in spades.

It's still a divided society because partition's goal was to do just that..divide along ethnic lines. And it succeeded in spades.
Have you ever welcomed what was achieved for those who identify as Irish there?
I don't think you have on here anyhow.
Next time the Dubs are playing a team made up of those who identify as Irish ask the supporters from the other team what they think of what has been achieved for them. Ask them about how they were treated just trying to play the game you cherish to get just a small flavour of what it was like to be a second class citizen.
In other words, get in touch with your empathy, because I think you are totally devoid of it, unless it is to emphatise with selective victims of partition.

The reality is, to varying degrees, we are all victims of partition.

So there is no Irish Language Act and the nurses doing without their pay rise did so in vain. Ah well.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want to keep voting for the same, there isn't much can be done about that.

I actually voted for FG,FF,Soc Dem and green
They got 4 out of the 5 seats in my constituency, so I'm not complaining
Democracy in action as always
I should imagine as always arising out of the national picture a representative majority administration and opposition will rise,not one extreme or the other
Happy enough with that ,positive, no moaning to be honest:)

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Is there a stand-alone Irish Language Act yet?

Will there ever be?

You would be the first tapping on your keyboard if they didn't compromise and here you are tapping furiously because they did.

Any change in northern Ireland came slow and painfully. Maintaining position as the people's choice is the litmus test imo. And SF have passed that test in spades.

It's still a divided society because partition's goal was to do just that..divide along ethnic lines. And it succeeded in spades.
Have you ever welcomed what was achieved for those who identify as Irish there?
I don't think you have on here anyhow.
Next time the Dubs are playing a team made up of those who identify as Irish ask the supporters from the other team what they think of what has been achieved for them. Ask them about how they were treated just trying to play the game you cherish to get just a small flavour of what it was like to be a second class citizen.
In other words, get in touch with your empathy, because I think you are totally devoid of it, unless it is to emphatise with selective victims of partition.

The reality is, to varying degrees, we are all victims of partition.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't agree. I think they were right to walk out of the Executive over foot dragging by the DUP. And they delivered quite a bit as a result of that even though they could not have foreseen the duplicity of May's government giving the DUP a hidey hole in Westminster. When the Tory's were done with the DUP they weren't long coming to the table and the Tory SoS wasn't afraid to blame the DUP as the 'blockage'.

Is there a stand-alone Irish Language Act yet?

Will there ever be?