Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Deleted User wrote: »

So, you have no reason or example then.

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

Classic deflection. No examples to point out in NI. No reasons to trust SF at it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Classic deflection. No examples to point out in NI. No reasons to trust SF at it.

And I have told you why.

What are FF/FG offering...more of the same with a Minister whose failure caused the collapse of the last government?

You vote for that if you wish. I will until my dying day try to effect change with my vote.
If SF fail then they get the same treatment.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And I have told you why.

What are FF/FG offering...more of the same with a Minister whose failure caused the collapse of the last government?

You vote for that if you wish. I will until my dying day try to effect change with my vote.
If SF fail then they get the same treatment.

I doubt any man who gives 30k posts to his support of SF is going to be easily swayed from them. Noting they've done (or more accurately, failed to do) in NI has swayed you away from them so far.

I do (sometimes) wonder if people who think Ireland's health system is terrible have had to interact with other health systems. I don't think it's great, but I don't think it's bad either.

Deleted User wrote: »

I doubt any man who gives 30k posts to his support of SF is going to be easily swayed from them. Noting they've done (or more accurately, failed to do) in NI has swayed you away from them so far.

I do (sometimes) wonder if people who think Ireland's health system is terrible have had to interact with other health systems. I don't think it's great, but I don't think it's bad either.

Many many of my posts have nothing to do with SF (most of my posts are about pro-anti republican stuff - there is a difference) and a good share in the Brexit thread has been fully behind what Ireland were doing and fighting for.

I never said or compared our health system to anywhere else. I am dismayed that ours fails so many. As we do in other areas of the governing of the state too.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Many many of my posts have nothing to do with SF (most of my posts are about pro-anti republican stuff - there is a difference) and a good share in the Brexit thread has been fully behind what Ireland were doing and fighting for.

I never said or compared our health system to anywhere else. I am dismayed that ours fails so many. As we do in other areas of the governing of the state too.

What percentage of your posts are not related to Sinn Féin, a decimal point cover them ,1 ,2 or 3 every hundred or less than 1 ?
His point is valid

Mortelaro wrote: »

What percentage of your posts are not related to Sinn Féin, a decimal point cover them ,1 ,2 or 3 every hundred or less than 1 ?
His point is valid

Thread is not about me. Hate having to remind you guys.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Many many of my posts have nothing to do with SF (most of my posts are about pro-anti republican stuff - there is a difference) and a good share in the Brexit thread has been fully behind what Ireland were doing and fighting for.

I never said or compared our health system to anywhere else. I am dismayed that ours fails so many. As we do in other areas of the governing of the state too.

I guess this is the fundamental difference. I think Ireland is a great place to live. I think our health system could be better, but no one has a perfect system. I think we have an open education system that allows the vast majority of people who want to progress to actually progress. We have a housing issue in our cities, definitely, but takes time to fix something like that, and the numbers (prior to this crisis) show it was being fixed.

I don't see anything SF could bring to the table to improve things, not really.

But I do see things they could bring to the table that would derail things.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

yeah, I can see an SF driven health system now......

"I'm sorry Mr Brady all the existing doctors can't help you so instead of relying on their expertise going forward, we've got Mary here - she was just passing by and we'd though sure she might as well have a go"

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thread is not about me. Hate having to remind you guys.

I know I know
But Sinn Féin
Same difference:D

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

So to be clear, there are no examples of a major project being led by an SF politician coming in on or ahead of time, or at or below budget......and were expected to believe they can deliver multi-year, multi-billion euro housing, health and social care projects??

Guess we better double that €22billion they're planning to borrow

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

So you still don't have a single example of how Sinn Fein in government improved the health service in the North?

Do you want to tell us about how they denied nurses a pay increase for a year because the Irish Language Act was more important?

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So to be clear, there are no examples of a major project being led by an SF politician coming in on or ahead of time, or at or below budget......and were expected to believe they can deliver multi-year, multi-billion euro housing, health and social care projects??

Guess we better double that €22billion they're planning to borrow

Boys in all.fairness FG handed BAM a blank cheque to build.the most expensive hospideal in the world (18 months behind scedule,before all this virus shìte too)

I have reason to deal with BAM and such a tight shower of baxtards to get paid off and.we hand em.a blank cheque at our expense...

Then people proceed to critise SF for capital expenditure record....you cant be for real

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Boys in all.fairness FG handed BAM a blank cheque to build.the most expensive hospideal in the world (18 months behind scedule,before all this virus shìte too)

I have reason to deal with BAM and such a tight shower of baxtards to get paid off and.we hand em.a blank cheque at our expense...

Then people proceed to critise SF for capital expenditure record....you cant be for real

Well the recent Cash for Ash enquiry criticised SF for their role in that, so they can't claim to be any better, in fact as another poster said, you can see many ways and many reasons why they could make things worse.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So to be clear, there are no examples of a major project being led by an SF politician coming in on or ahead of time, or at or below budget......and were expected to believe they can deliver multi-year, multi-billion euro housing, health and social care projects??

Guess we better double that €22billion they're planning to borrow

They have delivered equal rights and a share of the power in northern Ireland and have satisfied those they represented enough to be the still by far and away the most popular party. That is good enough for me if you are looking for credentials as to their fitness.
They have also IMO excelled themselves in the duty of being an opposition party.

That is more than enough for them to qualify for a vote. And I make no apology for that.

Deleted User wrote: »

Boys in all.fairness FG handed BAM a blank cheque to build.the most expensive hospideal in the world (18 months behind scedule,before all this virus shìte too)

I have reason to deal with BAM and such a tight shower of baxtards to get paid off and.we hand em.a blank cheque at our expense...

Then people proceed to critise SF for capital expenditure record....you cant be for real

So, that's still a "no" and as I predicted someone went straight for the whataboutery card and the children's hospital.

SF have zero track record of successfully delivering major change projects, if they didn't someone would've pointed to an example when asked.

I wouldn't trust them with a bed pan, don't mind our whole health system.

blanch152 wrote: »

Well the recent Cash for Ash enquiry criticised SF for their role in that, so they can't claim to be any better, in fact as another poster said, you can see many ways and many reasons why they could make things worse.

Im.failing to see how handing BAM.a blank cheque is comparable tbh

Hasnt cost me a cent in tax tbh.....neither to best of my knowledge was cash for ash an capital expenditure expense???

Try to stay remotely relevent to the topic,in spite of your extreme laughably partisan nature.....btw are you still standing over critising SF for wanting paddys day parades cancelled due to cv-19...i see the orangemen have even called off july 12th marches ffs???

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So, that's still a "no" and as I predicted someone went straight for the whataboutery card and the children's hospital.

SF have zero track record of successfully delivering major change projects, if they didn't someone would've pointed to an example when asked.

I wouldn't trust them with a bed pan, don't mind our whole health system.

Hmm....i said its laughable for anyone supporting present government to critise anyone on capital expenditure....given the way the hospideal is gone

It started at 600 million....how much ove budget and time is it gone to now??

Your right to critise SF,but you dont appear to have a leg to stand on,without being a hypicrite (which your entitled to be)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They have delivered equal rights and a share of the power in northern Ireland and have satisfied those they represented enough to be the still by far and away the most popular party. That is good enough for me if you are looking for credentials as to their fitness.
They have also IMO excelled themselves in the duty of being an opposition party.

That is more than enough for them to qualify for a vote. And I make no apology for that.

Seriously, that's you example of a "large scale change project" - what was the budget and the outturn?

What you're saying is because they got elected, they can run a health service

I got elected as a student rep, doesn't mean I can run a university!!

Btw, if you want an example of SF/NI ineptness check out the Belfast/Bangor rail line upgrade - we did it as a case study when I was doing a PPMO qual - late, 100% over budget and increased journey times

The Republic is in no way perfect, but the idea SF can't make it unimaginably worse is beyond parody - and here they won't have Westminster to bail them out.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

Loads of reasons to give a new party a go at it.

Examples would be their intolerance of big business/banking interests before the ordinary person.

May all be a hill of beans, but compared to the mess these fundamentals of a caring decent society have been left in by the power swap party's I am prepared to give them a go at it. They have paid their dues in opposition and the duty imposed on proper opposition party's.
I think the power swap supporters call it 'whinging and hurling on the ditch', I call it a duty to over-sight and calling to account.

If they are reasons to give SF a go then we are screwed.
I hate banks before the ordinary person ( whoever they are) but I wouldn't put ML on the government benches in a fit.
How caring where then when people where getting knee capped..
Francie i expected better reasoning for you. Time for you to swap allegiance and give the greens a vote

After all Eamon is caring and has served his time in opposition and government.

And he likes fluffy bunnies

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Seriously, that's you example of a "large scale change project" - what was the budget and the outturn?

What you're saying is because they got elected, they can run a health service

I got elected as a student rep, doesn't mean I can run a university!!

Btw, if you want an example of SF/NI ineptness check out the Belfast/Bangor rail line upgrade - we did it as a case study when I was doing a PPMO qual - late, 100% over budget and increased journey times

The Republic is in no way perfect, but the idea SF can't make it unimaginably worse is beyond parody - and here they won't have Westminster to bail them out.

Tell you what.
You set your criteria for an incoming government and I will set mine.

Why are you trying to impose criteria on me...what kind of dictatorial nonsense is that?

Kensley Itchy Sugar wrote: »

If they are reasons to give SF a go then we are screwed.
I hate banks before the ordinary person ( whoever they are) but I wouldn't put ML on the government benches in a fit.
How caring where then when people where getting knee capped..
Francie i expected better reasoning for you. Time for you to swap allegiance and give the greens a vote
After all Eamon is caring and has served his time in opposition and government.

And he likes fluffy bunnies

Eamonn ryan also proposed growing lettuce to solve the cv-19 crisis

Quite why people think they are more suited to run the country than the healy-raes is beyond me :pac:

Jesus id be mortified if i was a member of green party to have that gowl as a leader

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eamonn ryan also proposed growing lettuce to solve the cv-19 crisis

Quite why people think they are more suited to run the country than the healy-raes is beyond me :pac:

Jesus id be mortified if i was a member of green party to have that gowl as a leader

You forgot the wolves!

Kensley Itchy Sugar wrote: »

You forgot the wolves!

Aye....he taught the wolves werent going to kill sheep....god bless him,perhaps he also smokes copious amounts of green too :pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm....i said its laughable for anyone supporting present government to critise anyone on capital expenditure....given the way the hospideal is gone

It started at 600 million....how much ove budget and time is it gone to now??

Your right to critise SF,but you dont appear to have a leg to stand on,without being a hypicrite (which your entitled to be)

Ok, so again, still no example of SF delivering any kind of project of scale?

NCH will probably be about 2 to 2.5 times over budget, but where's the evidence that if SF were in charge it wouldn't be 4 or 5 times over budget?

Plenty of evidence they can't deliver these projects.....

Key findings from the report include:
-The A5 upgrade, linking counties Londonderry and Tyrone, has a £300m overspend and has been overrun by 10 years.

-The Regional Children's Hospital has a £130m overspend and has overrun by five years.

-The cost of building UU's new Belfast campus is now expected to be £363.9m - more than £100m over budget. The European Investment Bank (EIB) has already withdrawn a £150m loan because of project delays.

-The new Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) stadium at Casement Park in west Belfast has an overspend of £33m. It has still not started three years after the expected completion date.

-The critical care centre at the Royal Victoria Hospital is over budget by £57m and has over run by eight years.

-The new maternity hospital in Belfast is six years overdue and is £17m over budget.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Tell you what.
You set your criteria for an incoming government and I will set mine.

Why are you trying to impose criteria on me...what kind of dictatorial nonsense is that?

Not at all, I asked a question, you chose to try and answer it - maybe take your own advice and scroll on by if you can't answer something?

standardg60

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sultan...I don't know whether they can deliver or not. I voted for them for the first time and wanted them a 'part' of government not in sole power.

I am sick of being lied to by the power swap party's. FG's abject failure...abject! to deliver change after the promises of 2011 being the final straw.

Get off the pot boys and girls, you have been found out. Change is possible if the will is there and it has taken a pandemic to show us. The people will knuckle down and do what is best, if it is shown that it is for the best.
The spirit hasn't been broken.

If 2011 was the final straw then why didn't you vote SF in 2016?
They were spouting the same populist nonsense then.
The reason SF are quiet now is because no one is now interested in the frivolous problems they were promising to fix.
The homelessness crisis that the hand ringers were concerned about has been forgotten because the hand ringers now have something to be concerned about which was always far more important to them..themselves.
The trolley crisis has evaporated because the people who clogged up the hospitals are now clogging up the covid 19 test centres, and when they eventually get their negative results they'll clog them up again because they may have caught it in the meantime.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Ok, so again, still no example of SF delivering any kind of project of scale?

NCH will probably be about 2 to 2.5 times over budget, but where's the evidence that if SF were in charge it wouldn't be 4 or 5 times over budget?

Plenty of evidence they can't deliver these projects.....

To best my knowledge BAM think its going to.cost 2.8 billion by time.its kitted out...your 2 to 2.5 times over budget is along long way short (quite possibly gone over this cost already??)

Despite being a.shower of baxtards to get paid off....im also good mates with many people working in office there (they've spent 150K on pr to cover their arses in case it blows up,and they struggle to get more contracts)

Will the NCH even get finished after this virus....maybe include a few uncalibrated graphs :pac:

tikkahunter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They have delivered equal rights and a share of the power in northern Ireland and have satisfied those they represented enough to be the still by far and away the most popular party. That is good enough for me if you are looking for credentials as to their fitness.
They have also IMO excelled themselves in the duty of being an opposition party.

That is more than enough for them to qualify for a vote. And I make no apology for that.

They are long way removed from the party that delivered equal rights in the north Francie .