Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

How?

And define "properly resourcing"?

Can you elaborate on how we can transition to a more patient-centred public health service?

What do you see as the key governance issues that need to be overcome?

No...I'm not going to tell you something you will just handwave away for the sake of it..or the sake of those who have no interest in changing the status quo.

Just take it from me...we, who have always said, that there is a better way, won't be listening to the usual excuses for failure in the run up to a new government.
Why? Because those excuses are no longer tenable.

tikkahunter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes...but the 'nothing can be done' merchants...or worse, the 'he/she/insert political party here - is doing their best' merchants are silenced.
There are plenty of things to be 'done'. Putting the public front and centre and properly resourcing the front line staff and services would be an efficient start.

They are not , yes you can do all of the above if you have the SF money tree.You side step every point anyone makes.

tikkahunter wrote: »

They are not , yes you can do all of the above if you have the SF money tree.You side step every point anyone makes.

'They are not'....???? What?

tikkahunter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'They are not'....???? What?

Silenced

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...I'm not going to tell you something you will just handwave away for the sake of it..or the sake of those who have no interest in changing the status quo.

Just take it from me...we, who have always said, that there is a better way, won't be listening to the usual excuses for failure in the run up to a new government.
Why? Because those excuses are no longer tenable.

Feel free to be specific.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Feel free to be specific.

Reduce taxes and increase spending like, duh. Get de rich to pay for it.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Silenced

No doubt they will keep on making excuses, but as I said, they will be untenable and effectively silenced by events.

Changes can be made if the will is there.

blanch152

tikkahunter wrote: »

whats the cost though? All the free gaff money is will be gone and we will have a substantial debt , the measures brought and carried out by FG ensured with had the credit to borrow and now the many like me who work between 60-80 hours a week will be creamed in tax just when we thought we might see a bit of relief coming on that .

That issue of cost is the point.

We have had posters on here claiming that the current policies by the government are implementing Sinn Fein election policy, but those limited three-month policies in an emergency have created an annual €22 billion hole in the government finances.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/central-bank-warns-of-22bn-hole-in-public-finances-from-coronavirus-crisis-1.4219419

Implemented for a year, they would cost €88bn. When a lot of us said that implementing Sinn Fein style budgetary policies would wreck the economy and the public finances, we didn't expect to be proven correct in this way.

A lot of them will be quickly reversed once this is over.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...I'm not going to tell you something you will just handwave away for the sake of it..or the sake of those who have no interest in changing the status quo.

Just take it from me...we, who have always said, that there is a better way, won't be listening to the usual excuses for failure in the run up to a new government.
Why? Because those excuses are no longer tenable.

Ok then let's start with a simlpe one - "clinical managers" - yeh or nay. Would more of them be a good idea or a bad idea?

Because, really the idea that the most power-centralising populist party in the country is going to devolve the power required to make a patient-centred health service a reality (or anything close to a reality) is, putting it mildly, quite fanciful.

If anything SF will make it a political-centred health service.

blanch152 wrote: »

That issue of cost is the point.

We have had posters on here claiming that the current policies by the government are implementing Sinn Fein election policy, but those limited three-month policies in an emergency have created an annual €22 billion hole in the government finances.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/central-bank-warns-of-22bn-hole-in-public-finances-from-coronavirus-crisis-1.4219419

Implemented for a year, they would cost €88bn. When a lot of us said that implementing Sinn Fein style budgetary policies would wreck the economy and the public finances, we didn't expect to be proven correct in this way.

A lot of them will be quickly reversed once this is over.

Dis-ingenuous reaction.
There are a huge amount of those costs that are specific to a pandemic.

What is clearly evident is that our health service can be better resourced and the people on the front line better motivated. That doesn't always come down to 'money'.
'Priorities' is the operative word here. And it begins with valuing people - people on the front line. (Looking at you Simon Harris in particular.)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No doubt they will keep on making excuses, but as I said, they will be untenable and effectively silenced by events.

Changes can be made if the will is there.

We've wrecked our economy, are facing back into austerity and cuts all over again and your take is that people will want this to level of crisis spending to become the norm?

You haven't a clue.

Ballso wrote: »

We've wrecked our economy, are facing back into austerity and cuts all over again and your take is that people will want this to level of crisis spending to become the norm?

You haven't a clue.

Where did I say that Ballso? You are running off with the ball in a solo run, again.

One things for sure, the upcoming economic disaster will be fertile ground for the Sinn Fein serial moaner to complain and obstruct and object while others get on with fixing things.

Oh joy.

JohnnyFlash

How are you finding having the shop closed, Francie? Run a small business myself, and bored out of my bin I must admit.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And .. bit

Am I hearing something?
Sounds like a fly buzzing next to my ear.

markodaly

all about the mane wrote: »

Francie laughing at people with so little going on that they appear here everyday...

How many posts are you up to now Francie?

As I said, self isolation for most of us is a chore, for others its par of the course

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No doubt they will keep on making excuses, but as I said, they will be untenable and effectively silenced by events.

Changes can be made if the will is there.

Easy one for you.....

Can you point to one large scale change project that an SF politician has overseen in NI that came in either on or under budget or on time (or early)?

If they have a track record of deilvering the type of change you reckon they are capable of delivering, then it should be no bother pointing out some examples?

However, why do I think there will be a deflection? (My money is a bit of whataboutery and the Children's Hospital)

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How are you finding having the shop closed, Francie? Run a small business myself, and bored out of my bin I must admit.

Most of my biz is online...but it has almost dried up anyway.

Not a bit bored, getting a proper garden in this year because I have time.

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Easy one for you.....

Can you point to one large scale change project that an SF politician has overseen in NI that came in either on or under budget or on time (or early)?

If they have a track record of deilvering the type of change you reckon they are capable of delivering, then it should be no bother pointing out some examples?

However, why do I think there will be a deflection? (My money is a bit of whataboutery and the Children's Hospital)

Sultan...I don't know whether they can deliver or not. I voted for them for the first time and wanted them a 'part' of government not in sole power.

I am sick of being lied to by the power swap party's. FG's abject failure...abject! to deliver change after the promises of 2011 being the final straw.

Get off the pot boys and girls, you have been found out. Change is possible if the will is there and it has taken a pandemic to show us. The people will knuckle down and do what is best, if it is shown that it is for the best.
The spirit hasn't been broken.

Laughing at the idea of Francie running a business, he hasn't left this thread in weeks. Fantasist.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sultan...I don't know whether they can deliver or not. I voted for them for the first time and wanted them a 'part' of government not in sole power.

I am sick of being lied to by the power swap party's. FG's abject failure...abject! to deliver change after the promises of 2011 being the final straw.

Get off the pot boys and girls, you have been found out. Change is possible if the will is there and it has taken a pandemic to show us. The people will knuckle down and do what is best, if it is shown that it is for the best.
The spirit hasn't been broken.

yes, people just need to "believe" in it for it to be so.

Anyway, "the spirit hasn't been broken"?? I SF broke the "Free State"? Did SF not "break the bastards"?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sultan...I don't know whether they can deliver or not. I voted for them for the first time and wanted them a 'part' of government not in sole power.

I am sick of being lied to by the power swap party's. FG's abject failure...abject! to deliver change after the promises of 2011 being the final straw.

Get off the pot boys and girls, you have been found out. Change is possible if the will is there and it has taken a pandemic to show us. The people will knuckle down and do what is best, if it is shown that it is for the best.
The spirit hasn't been broken.

That wasn't the question though.

What public health successes in NI makes you think they could credibly deliver on their promises?

Deleted User wrote: »

That wasn't the question though.

What public health successes in NI makes you think they could credibly deliver on their promises?

Comparing SF's potential ability to govern here with how they have done in the north is a stupid, uninformed waste of my time and in fairness a waste of yours.
You would be better to inform yourself about how the north is governed and the constraints on everybody getting what they want.

And you would think the north's health system was a third world wasteland to listen to some here. Ignoring the fact that many from the south take advantage of it as our system labours to cope.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Comparing SF's potential ability to govern here with how they have done in the north is a stupid, uninformed waste of my time and in fairness a waste of yours.
You would be better to inform yourself about how the north is governed and the constraints on everybody getting what they want.

And you would think the north's health system was a third world wasteland to listen to some here. Ignoring the fact that many from the south take advantage of it as our system labours to cope.

Tbf, it isn't really. They have an exceptionally mediocre record at governance up there, why should we ignore it?

And just to stick to the question I asked, what public health successes in NI makes you think they could credibly deliver on their promises?

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbf, it isn't really. They have an exceptionally mediocre record at governance up there, why should we ignore it?

And just to stick to the question I asked, what public health successes in NI makes you think they could credibly deliver on their promises?

I believe they want to deliver a patient focused system that works.

I don't believe the lipservice paid to a decent health service from FG and FF anymore and I don't think any of the smaller party's that have been in coalition with those two anymore either. They EITHER don't care or don't have the competence to deliver.

The health service in the north functions much like here and is constrained by funding from Westminster in what it wants to deliver. There is no comparison for that reason and I won't be comparing...for that reason.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe they want to deliver a patient focused system that works.

I don't believe the lipservice paid to a decent health service from FG and FF anymore and I don't think any of the smaller party's that have been in coalition with those two anymore either. They EITHER don't care or don't have the competence to deliver.

The health service in the north functions much like here and is constrained by funding from Westminster in what it wants to deliver. There is no comparison for that reason and I won't be comparing...for that reason.

So, you have no reason or example then.

suicide_circus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most of my biz is online...but it has almost dried up anyway.

Not a bit bored, getting a proper garden in this year because I have time.

No poppies i hope

Nitrogan

Ballso wrote: »

Laughing at the idea of Francie running a business, he hasn't left this thread in weeks. Fantasist.

FB is at least three people WFH. SF care about workers hours.