Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » I'm unclear, was the priest a member of a political party and/or did they inflict bodily harm on anyone? And yes, the criminal law is selective - this isn't kangaroo justice, the law treats crimes against property as completely different to crimes against people - because, most people would regard inflicting life-changing injuries, grevious harm, or death on someone as completely different to depriving someone of property. If someone can't see the difference then maybe, yes, SF is definitely the party for them.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » No, but why don't you? And you don't have to go back 20 years to find photos that are not appalling when it comes to SF Btw, it's less than 20 years since McDonald spoke alongside former IRA Chief of Staff Brian Keenan, at a ceremony eulogising the Second World War IRA Nazi sympathiser and Nazi collaborator, the then IRA Chief of Staff Sean Russell. Keenan was behind the kidnap and subsequent murder of the Managing Director of Grundig in Belfast, Thomas Niedermayer. He was beaten to death, dumped in a shallow, and it was years before his body was found. His wife and two daughters subsequently committed suicide. But in SF's view that's not appalling - but a photo op, even if it's ill timed and self-aggrandising, is???? And you wonder why no one wants to share power with you?
Suckit wrote: » If somebody is using their political position/ power for personal gain, and ensuring dodgy underhanded deals are being passed through, then they should not be allowed to continue and contracts should have been voided. But if you are all for corruption and party before the people, and can't see a problem with the government looking after their own and taking money for contracts then yes, FG is the party for you.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Yeah, again if you can't see the difference between Lowry and O'Brien compared to Russell and Keenan, then SF are the party for you....... If the choice is between corruption, shady business practices and stroke politics or collaboration with the Nazis, punishment beatings and waterboarding.......I'll take the former over the latter - it's not perfect, I may end up poorer than I otherwise might be but at least I don't have worry about getting sent to a concentration camp or being relieved of my kneecaps.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Almost like a comedy post tbh.
Suckit wrote: » WTF is that post, absolute nonsense, apart from basically admitting and agreeing that FG are corrupt an you're alright with that, then you continue surmising that SF are involved in the rest. If you vote SF you'll likely end up in a concentration camp... :rolleyes: Yet, it has been proven DOB gave money for contracts, and he is STILL getting them left, right and centre whenever FG are weilding power. No surmising there.
Deleted User wrote: » FF had a nazi sympathizer in the dail until.the mid 60s and we need not even mention FG background here Your right to critise SF in relation to this,just seems hypocritical not to point out actions of other parties here
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » There is a world of difference between a sympathiser and a collaborationist
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Per the association between Russell and the Nazis. And yes, I don't doubt there is corruption in politics and it needs to be rooted out - but if the choice is between people who fleece other people, and people who kill and maim, then yeah, it's not perfect but I'd prefer the crooks to the psychopaths,
Deleted User wrote: » Meh,pretty hard to justify sympathizing with the nazis upto the mid 60s,given what became known about what they were upto But sure lookit FF are all things to all men i guess
Deleted User wrote: » Meh,havnt seen anyone justifying this though? Like i attended an commeration last year,where FG (along with FF and SF) members shared a platform with a dissident speaker (i live in an area,where divisions on this are slim to non-existant) I wouldnt critise them,nor justify it,but everyone is entitled to have their views heard,even the dissidents?? Like FF critise SF,while holding commerations for wolf tone,every year,like FG critise SF and hold commerarions at beal na blaith every year,and SF critise dissidents Irish politics is completly lined with bullsh1tters and hypocrites (Your critising SF for criminal activitys,while FF and FG are preparing to reinclude lowry to make a government)
FrancieBrady wrote: » The war/conflict is over Sultan. If you are going to be even handed in this, ANYONE who has taken part in a war is excluded from politics. Is that what you are saying? How would this state ever have gotten started if that was the case? And the Dowdall one is just shameful. How was MLMD to know when she stood for a photo what was going on in his life? There are photos of certain politicians with Malcolm McArthur who savagely murdered a few people. NOBODY is digging them up in a pathetic attempt to implicate those politicians. Grow up a bit here.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Its pure hyprocrisy,FF and FG have background in the same...its only a few weeks since ballyseedy massacre anniversary,ive relativez who were tortured and left for dead by blueshirts...as many again who were assulted and houses wreaked several times by the heavy gang during the troubles (and also during 50s and 60s) Yet we are expected to fall in line and cheer on gaurds etc during this time of crisis?? Make no bones about it,ff and fg are as capable of standing over violence as sinn fein are....what did charlie flanagan call anyone who didnt support ric commerations,oh yeah sinister elements
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Did McDonald not eulogise Russell? Was Russell not actively collaborating with the Nazis? Had the Nazis not identifiedm at Wannsee, that Ireland had a Jewish population of 4000? If Russell had his way and was put in power by the Nazis do you really think we wouldn't have to pay an exacting price for that? You might think Nazi collaboration, punishment beatings, shooting kids (as some kind of internal discipline measure), kangaroo courts, etc etc etc etc are funny, but not many outside SF do
tikkahunter wrote: » She lives 2 minutes from him on the same road , she knows well who he is .
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Ah maybe it's just me but I can't find respect for a liar no matter the circumstances.
[Deleted User] wrote: » What's your view on men who protect sex offenders? Who don't go to the authorities when they hear of it in their own family?
Deleted User wrote: » Like the kennealys?? Or what of a political party,who would send family members of a prolific peadophile to canvass for votes off a victim,who they tried to bribe into silence? And when said TD was critised for abusing people on social media,went on local radio and said russia interfered with their social media page?? Christ theres some morans in the dail
Runaways wrote: » Ehhh FF and FG turned a blind eye to the plight of countless children and women since pretty much the foundation of the state. As well as enabling it. Don’t go there.
[Deleted User] wrote: » This is part of the problem, we absolutely should "go there" as a country and examine these issues.
Deleted User wrote: » Politian im referring to did get in,and is most likely going to be a junior minister....being only FF/FG member elected in this constituency,otherwise the shinners will dismantle there network and take ther seat at next election
Runaways wrote: » Will in with you there all the way. I probably misread your post. I always get an eyeroll when this comes up in relation to Gerry Adams brother. Thought that’s where you were going. Sorry if I read it wrong We do need to get into all that. But it’ll never happen.
Deleted User wrote: » I'd apply it to all parties. I'm not so naive as to think politicians don't lie hence my question to PtD but I really do think it's abhorrent when they cover up things like sexual abuse, which is legitimate query to put to Adams (or was when he was a TD). Enda Kenny, tbf to him, did stand up to the Vatican on it.
Runaways wrote: » Mad the way it’s always English media reporting this stuff. I’d say Leo will be furious. Welfare cheats cheat us all n all thathttps://twitter.com/joeleogue/status/1246708989934669824?s=21
FrancieBrady wrote: » Adams has dealt with what happened and apologised for his handling of Liam's crimes. Enda has never explained why he fought Louise O'Keefe all the way to the European Court and even when Ireland lost the case refused to implement the child protection procedures it mandated. (All when he was posing for pics with Maria Cahill too) Hypocritical?
[Deleted User] wrote: » What welfare cheats are you on about?
Deleted User wrote: » Its pure hyprocrisy,FF and FG have background in the same...its only a few weeks since ballyseedy massacre anniversary,ive relativez who were tortured and left for dead by blueshirts...as many again who were assulted and houses wreaked several times by the heavy gang during the troubles (and also during 50s and 60s) Yet we are expected to fall in line and cheer on gaurds etc during this time of crisis?? Make no bones about it,ff and fg are as capable of standing over violence as sinn fein are....what did charlie flanagan call anyone who didnt support ric commerations,oh yeah sinister elements
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