FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Ballso wrote: »

Any kind of prudent financial management grounded in economic reality makes you a "Tory" to the free gaffs for everyone brigade.

Even the most chronically stupid & ignorant won't buy the shinnernomics nonsense with the scale of the economic crisis we are about to plunge into. Sinn Fein and their fantasyland promises are finished.

Wrong. if anything this crisis will show the right wing for what they are. There will be a massive change to economics after this away from the thin social nets being pushed by the likes of the Tories and the Trump admin. You've billion dollar companies in the U.S looking for bailouts after 1, week of downtime. Do you honestly think people will buy that?

McMurphy

landofthetree wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyk06c0sXmw

I said the UK holds state commemorations for units of the British military, and Ireland doesn't - you post a link to the centenary celebrations of the Easter rising.

What am I missing?

landofthetree wrote: »

SF said we could spent an extra 23billion a year by 2025.

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

Ballso wrote: »

Any kind of prudent financial management grounded in economic reality makes you a "Tory" to the free gaffs for everyone brigade.

Even the most chronically stupid & ignorant won't buy the shinnernomics nonsense with the scale of the economic crisis we are about to plunge into. Sinn Fein and their fantasyland promises are finished.

Prudent financial management like the National Children's hospital going from 500m to 2, billion?
Quiet like the UK's HS2 rail plan going from 56 billion to 106 billion. Such mastery of economics!

smurgen wrote: »

Wrong. if anything this crisis will show the right wing for what they are. There will be a massive change to economics after this away from the thin social nets being pushed by the likes of the Tories and the Trump admin. You've billion dollar companies in the U.S looking for bailouts after 1, week of downtime. Do you honestly think people will buy that?

Our welfare state is nothing like the Tories or the US one thankfully, it's much more generous as it should be. We will struggle to fund it now. That's not because people are evil right wingers, it's because of *reality*. SF can simply ignore reality and hurl from the ditch, the rest of us are bound by it unfortunately.

landofthetree

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

It's being borrowed in s national emergency.

It will have to be paid back. Meaning austerity in the future.

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

This emergency spending will destroy our economy. SF wanted to do this as business as usual...

landofthetree wrote: »

It's being borrowed in s national emergency.

It will have to be paid back. Meaning austerity in the future.

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

landofthetree

smurgen wrote: »

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

Boom period was under FF. Up to 2007.

Ballso wrote: »

This emergency spending will destroy our economy. SF wanted to do this as business as usual...

FG tried to battle crisis after crisis using high cost measures such as emergency accommodation in hotels and HAP payments rather than building social housing. We still have the housing issues and will have less cashflow to support these payments to private individuals.what a terrific legacy they have.

smurgen wrote: »

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

FG mismanaged the economy? Our economy was in rude health prior to this crisis with a budget surplus and full employment.

Can you imagine heading into this with the Venezuelan type economic situation Sinn Fein would bring in? Even the thought is terrifying.

SF need to go away and come back with their fantasy economics after the big boys have fixed the economy again.

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

That's pure ignorance or just wilful sh1te

The EU commission has allowed all member states to borrow more than the 3% CBD limit as necessary for the duration of this health crisis
There is no Equivocation with pre covid 19

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's pure ignorance or just wilful sh1te

The EU commission has allowed all member states to borrow more than the 3% CBD limit as necessary for the duration of this health crisis
There is no Equivocation with pre covid 19

Oh ya?is that why the EU commission called on them to up their spending?

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

Ballso wrote: »

FG mismanaged the economy? Our economy was in rude health prior to this crisis with a budget surplus and full employment.

Can you imagine heading into this with the Venezuelan type economic situation Sinn Fein would bring in? Even the thought is terrifying.

SF need to go away and come back with their fantasy economics after the big boys have fixed the economy again.

FG done nothing to help the economy.this is evident. It was a global economic boom. The evidence for this will be when we enter recession and the FG clowns tell us there's nothing we can do with unemployment because it's a global recession.total gaslighting crap.

Idbatterim

FG were fortunate , that brexit applied the brakes to things in a way, like public service pay and hiking welfare again etc. It goes to show, when they have the money, it needs to be invested properly, pay down debt / go into a rainy day fund!

I really expected economic mismanagement to sink us again, who could have predicted a virus would do it!

smurgen wrote: »

FG done nothing to help the economy.this is evident. It was a global economic boom. The evidence for this will be when we enter recession and the FG clowns tell us there's nothing we can do with unemployment because it's a global recession.total gaslighting crap.

So the increase from 15% to full employment is down to the global economy but the fallout from the upcoming crash will not be down to the global economy but to FG?

That's handy

People are saying with a straight face that none of the economic improvements witnessed post crash in Ireland are attributable to the Irish government?

Really like?

Ballso wrote: »

So the increase from 15% to full employment is down to the global economy but the fallout from the upcoming crash will not be down to the global economy but to FG?

That's handy

Surely if the raised the economy the last time from their own party policy they can just do the same again no? Or are they just going to stop trying?

smurgen wrote: »

Surely if the raised the economy the last time from their own party policy they can just do the same again no? Or are they just going to stop trying?

Well yeah, they will have to go through it all again.

Looking forward to Sinn Feins "contribution" during all this - hurling from the ditch, moaning, complaining, telling us everything is so simple and if only they were in power everything would be perfect over night. Can hardly wait.

smurgen wrote: »

Oh ya?is that why the EU commission called on them to up their spending?

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

That's pre pandemic
Since then,EU governments have had the growth and stability pact relaxed allowing the kitchen sink to be thrown at this
Try to keep up
Or stay ignorant take your pick

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's pre pandemic
Since then,EU governments have had the growth and stability pact relaxed allowing the kitchen sink to be thrown at this
Try to keep up
Or stay ignorant take your pick

They were being asked to up their spending before it also.that's my point.the way you were hinting was that they were being restricted til now by the EU but only relaxed just now because restrictions were lifting. You're either a liar or ignorant.

smurgen wrote: »

They were being asked to up their spending before it also.that's my point.the way you were hinting was that they were being restricted til now by the EU but only relaxed just now because restrictions were lifting. You're either a liar or ignorant.

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

Keep using the word balderdash,it might start making sense if you use it another 2/3 times maybe.
Meanwhile caretaker government spending away with minimal supervision and treating the press using Trumpesque tactics.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245851088898740224?s=19

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

Wait so you're saying the European commission was recommending the Government to break its own rules on spending?

efanton

Field east wrote: »

All

All the NOs well predate the beginning of the onset of the virus even on an international level. No TD or any element of the media reported at the time of everybody saying NO reported on the impact that the virus would have on any aspect of the Irish nation.
Since then all things have CHANGED UTTERLY- for example all manifestos are now obselate and need to be completely redrawn . The country going to having a projected €11bn available over 5 yrs to maybe having to borrow up to €20bn + to have any kind of a reasonable program.
Because the economy will need an immediate boost at the very first opportunity , building affordable/ social houses with very cheap money would provide such an opportunity along , of course with other actions

Both Labour and the Greens have stated they have no interest in joining a FG/FF coalition within the last week. So all the NO's do not predate the virus crisis at all.

In fact they came after FG and FG said they were seeking a 3rd party to join them.

Now Leo has eliminated the Independents as potential government partners, its very unlikely a coalition can be formed now.

smurgen wrote: »

Wait so you're saying the European commission was recommending the Government to break its own rules on spending?

smurgen wrote: »

Keep using the word balderdash,it might start making sense if you use it another 2/3 times maybe.
Meanwhile caretaker government spending away with minimal supervision and treating the press using Trumpesque tactics.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245851088898740224?s=19

Sinn Féin want them to spend even more,you should ask Collette what she thinks of that while you are at it..

Mortelaro wrote: »

No

Ya caught out with the finnerbot mental gymnastics.sit this one out

christy c

Mortelaro wrote: »

Go get a good Economics book

The poor lad thinks he has a degree (or masters?) in economics. Go easy on him.