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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

satguy

It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.

Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.

FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.

But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.

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FrancieBrady

jmayo wrote: »

You don't know the half of it.

I'll stop reading right there.

I am entitled to know ALL of it.

The HSE, Leo etc have been evasive on this for a number of days. Their online team of supporters where dismissing it as an issue for a couple of days too.

Fine Gael arrogance again and lack of transparency.

jmayo

Bowie wrote: »

As for the sentiment, welcome but not believable from FG. They who spoke like the health crisis was overpaid Nurses, too many holidays, drunks clogging up A&E, the housing crisis, people pretending and spongers etc. worse elsewhere.

You do know that this crisis has proven without a doubt loads of people were going to doctors and A&Es without any need.
If those people that normally turn up at GPs surgeries and A&Es every day were so bad the morgues would be full of them.

And if you ever visited an A&E, especially at the weekend you would have found a sizable portion of drunks and junkies wasting the time of the attendant doctors and nurses.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The HSE has apologised to people waiting for tests results, they are discussing itright this minute on the national broadcaster and STILL you are bitching about it.

This from the poster who called those waiting for tests and results as 'idiots'.

FULL on FG protection mode.

You don't know the half of it.
Medical staff are not sure if some patients have it and there is backlog of tests for patients and medical staff.

But are you going to seriously sit there and tell us that is all down to likes of Leo and Simon ???
They can't pull test kits out of their holes unlike maybe some shinners who seem to have disordinately large ones going by the amount of cr** they spew out.

Neither can they magic up test labs and test equipment unlike sinn fein seem to promise with those magic money trees.

See how the likes of the Germans are trying to come up with much quicker testing strategies to meet the demand.

I think the HSE and government are being economical with the truth about testing because the alternative is to come out and scare the shyte out of loads of people.

I know from working in the health sector that there is fook all the HSE and government can do when they cannot get the supplies from suppliers , because the suppliers can't get it from manufacturers.
This is a world wide pandemic lads and the world and it's aunty are looking for medical equipment.

It is about time you and a few others copped to fook on to that fact.

Sean.3516

Bowie wrote: »

It's pretty simple. All one needs do is follow the advice of experts in the field.
FG will be using this time to line the pockets of private hospitals and try cadge votes off the 'we're all In this together' lie. FG are in it for themselves and FF want a taste. There is going to be a lot of tax payer money being handed out and I do not trust the FG/FF won't look after their own.

If by "look after their own", you mean that Fine Gael are likely to see that private businesses who have been either crippled by the shutdown or shut down themselves are able to stay afloat during this thing receive govt funds. There's a reason this is necessary.

While the virus is being fought, the immediate economic goal is to mitigate unemployment. The best way to do that is to stop companies from going under. Make sure that they can keep as many of their people on as possible and if possible make sure that people who are being furloughed still get a pay check. Some of the ways to do this is to give cash directly to the companies or subsidising banks to not call in their loans from these businesses. None of this is a "bailout" as it was the government that implemented the shutdown in the first place. The onus is on them to mitigate the damage.

The first line of defence for workers is keeping them employed. Jobseeker's allowance is the second. There will only be a V-shaped recovery at the end of this if the businesses that employed people before still exist.

Bowie wrote: »

As for the sentiment, welcome but not believable from FG. They who spoke like the health crisis was overpaid Nurses, too many holidays, drunks clogging up A&E, the housing crisis, people pretending and spongers etc. worse elsewhere.

It's a simple matter of fact that nurses are not underpaid in this country and those who strike against the taxpayer should be penalised.

Our A&Es are clogged up for multiple reasons. People coming in to get their stomachs pumped is one of them.

Solving the housing crisis means incentivising private people to invest in building housing as opposed to penalising them through rent control.

Welfare fraud is not a made-up problem.

Bowie wrote: »

This is the same FG party. Now the talk is that none of these were real crises to begin with just hype, ignoring the fact that the pandemic has changed the landscape for the moment.

There's a difference between a serious problem and a crisis.

In a crisis, the effects are usually widespread enough that everyone feels them and debilitating to the country if unmitigated. Right now we're in a crisis.

Suckit

It wouldn't really matter if it's the right people or not, the virus will have come and gone before anyone gets their results.
The testing doesn't seem to be worth anything at this moment in time.
It seems to be,
1. Get tested.
2. Symptoms get worse.
3. Go to hospital or seek advice.
4. Peak
5. Final stage only one of two options really.
6. Wait for results.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

As usual, you point the blame without any evidence and yet when the evidence stacks up against the likes of Gerry Adams you deny his guilt.

We are still testing more people per capita than most countries. The issue is that we still aren't testing all the right people with people seeking tests who shouldn't be seeking tests.

The HSE has apologised to people waiting for tests results, they are discussing itright this minute on the national broadcaster and STILL you are bitching about it.

This from the poster who called those waiting for tests and results as 'idiots'.

FULL on FG protection mode.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My opinion is that FG, HSE and the team of online workers were lying about the issues.

People persisted in asking about it and we now know the truth...even though a poster or two here is still being bitchy about it.

As usual, you point the blame without any evidence and yet when the evidence stacks up against the likes of Gerry Adams you deny his guilt.

We are still testing more people per capita than most countries. The issue is that we still aren't testing all the right people with people seeking tests who shouldn't be seeking tests.

satguy

FG will get Dinny over the 10 Billion mark, even if they have to send every SF voter to a private hospital they will.

I wonder what profits will look like next year.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/beacon-hospital-posts-3-1m-operating-profit-1.3995593

FrancieBrady

tobsey wrote: »

You still haven’t given an opinion on it though. Are you staying it’s FG’s fault or that they should have done something differently? You dropped it in here a few days ago with no context or opinion. What’s it got to do with whether FG are in the next government or not?

My opinion is that FG, HSE and the team of online workers were lying about the issues.

People persisted in asking about it and we now know the truth...even though a poster or two here is still being bitchy about it.

smurgen

tobsey wrote: »

That's a complete non-issue. AIB have always charged fees. They sent the statements out a few weeks ago for what was owed. If you had over €2500 in your account constantly then they didn't apply, but I doubt too many people keep that much in their current account at all times.

Also I have no idea how anyone could run up €100 in charges in a quarter. We use our joint account constantly for bills and card transactions and ours was about €34, but because our mortgage is with AIB it's waived. My personal account had €18 in charges and I use my cards for almost every purchase.

All Pearse is doing is trying to buy support. Everyone wants to keep money in their own pocket but if AIB charge fees then that's their business. People can switch to other banks if they want. Most of the profits AIB make would come back to the government anyway in dividends and taxes so it's not as if there are some Scrooge type characters breaking the backs of ordinary customers.

That was fine however people have just lost jobs. It's compounding people's misery for very little gain on the banks side. Also charges are for all sorts of transactions now including tapping and direct debits. I did appreciate the attempted FG pile on Pearse Doherty initiated by one of FG "economists" who got his arse handed too him after he was economist with the truth. If was nice to see the FG TD Neil Richmond amongst others delighted at the idea they finally nailed Pearse though. Mortified for them.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1244978536491954177?s=19

tobsey

satguy wrote: »

More non-issue fees from AIB
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5268636/coronavirus-in-ireland-aib-banking-fees-covid-welfare-payment/

There's nothing new in that. It's the same story, with the same details, but from a different newspaper.

satguy

tobsey wrote: »

That's a complete non-issue. AIB have always charged fees.

More non-issue fees from AIB
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5268636/coronavirus-in-ireland-aib-banking-fees-covid-welfare-payment/

tobsey

Bowie wrote: »

FG will be using this time to line the pockets of private hospitals and try cadge votes off the 'we're all In this together' lie. FG are in it for themselves and FF want a taste. There is going to be a lot of tax payer money being handed out and I do not trust the FG/FF won't look after their own.

That's your, as usual baseless, opinion. No evidence that it is happening or that it will.

Bowie wrote: »

As for the sentiment, welcome but not believable from FG. They who spoke like the health crisis was overpaid Nurses, too many holidays, drunks clogging up A&E, the housing crisis, people pretending and spongers etc. worse elsewhere.
This is the same FG party. Now the talk is that none of these were real crises to begin with just hype, ignoring the fact that the pandemic has changed the landscape for the moment.

The trolley crisis disappeared pretty much overnight. Why was that? The number of admissions to hospital fell massively. That indicates that people were clogging up the hospitals without good reason. We could have expanded the capacity further but it would have been a waste at the time. Sure it would be useful now with the pandemic, but you're not going to build a healthcare system with that level of capacity and have 80% of it lying idle. That would be seen as a massive waste of public funds. I can't imagine many opposition parties would be happy with that.

Bowie wrote: »

We will be in to another bout of austerity after this when many never fully reovered from the last, all so FG can look after their own IMO. They'll be back to comfort while the rest of us are called spongers. Nasty party.

Austerity so FG can look after their own? Laughable. We'll spend billions more this year than we'll receive in tax. We'll need austerity in the coming years to pay for it. Keep telling yourself that only the ordinary citizen will pay for it and the wealthy won't if it makes you feel better. The stock market collapses over the last few weeks completely negate your argument. The wealthy have lost plenty already. Much more tha ordinary people.

Suckit

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

When FG get praise Francie and his comrades are quick to claim the government are only doing what they are advised.

Now the story has changed because there might me a bit of negativity.

They wouldn't know hypocrisy if it smacked them in the face.

But.... but...

Isn't that exactly what the average FG sheeple do, and are famous for? (well, that and the arrogance of FG).
Even using the above example reversed..

James Brown

Sean.3516 wrote: »

You're acknowledging that parties have an incentive to act the way they do and at the same insisting that they behave otherwise.

Explaining why the onus isn't really on anybody. Those with the most votes should try cobble something together but you can't expect people to align with FF/FG when they feel it's not good for the country and vice versa.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

This sounds like the "everyone's a socialist in a crisis" argument.

The fact is that COVID-19 is not causing the economic downturn. The government is. The economy has been shut down because the government has ordered it. Therefore the uptick so-called in "welfare" and measures we're seeing now (in a national crisis) are in no way comparable to the welfare measures that we have in non-crisis times. Nor is current govt grants to businesses a "bailout".

Why? Because the government is responsible for the downturn, therefore they are obligated to mitigate the fallout in a way they would not be if the economy crashed for actual economic reasons....

It's pretty simple. All one needs do is follow the advice of experts in the field.
FG will be using this time to line the pockets of private hospitals and try cadge votes off the 'we're all In this together' lie. FG are in it for themselves and FF want a taste. There is going to be a lot of tax payer money being handed out and I do not trust the FG/FF won't look after their own.
As for the sentiment, welcome but not believable from FG. They who spoke like the health crisis was overpaid Nurses, too many holidays, drunks clogging up A&E, the housing crisis, people pretending and spongers etc. worse elsewhere.
This is the same FG party. Now the talk is that none of these were real crises to begin with just hype, ignoring the fact that the pandemic has changed the landscape for the moment.
We will be in to another bout of austerity after this when many never fully reovered from the last, all so FG can look after their own IMO. They'll be back to comfort while the rest of us are called spongers. Nasty party.

KiKi III

Even politicians have given up playing politics for the most part at the moment, mad that people on boards are still having the same circular, venomous conversations as weeks ago.

And yes, I know, it's a discussion board... most of these arguments just seem so irrelevant to the moment (not to mention out of kilter with a time when people are coming together - metaphorically - physically they are hopefully stating apart)

Jinglejangle69

tobsey wrote: »

You still haven’t given an opinion on it though. Are you staying it’s FG’s fault or that they should have done something differently? You dropped it in here a few days ago with no context or opinion. What’s it got to do with whether FG are in the next government or not?

When FG get praise Francie and his comrades are quick to claim the government are only doing what they are advised.

Now the story has changed because there might me a bit of negativity.

They wouldn't know hypocrisy if it smacked them in the face.

tobsey

satguy wrote: »

While the GP are worried about salad,, SF are worried about things like this..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/it-is-disgraceful--aib-criticised-for-taking-as-much-as-100-in-bank-fees-from-covid-19-unemployed-991253.html?fbclid=IwAR0_PyMgVRJh7bJe4spzFIrbwGvrFIqhJ6giS5uyVtEbc4MPjegVHVc9ywY

Horses for courses..

That's a complete non-issue. AIB have always charged fees. They sent the statements out a few weeks ago for what was owed. If you had over €2500 in your account constantly then they didn't apply, but I doubt too many people keep that much in their current account at all times.

Also I have no idea how anyone could run up €100 in charges in a quarter. We use our joint account constantly for bills and card transactions and ours was about €34, but because our mortgage is with AIB it's waived. My personal account had €18 in charges and I use my cards for almost every purchase.

All Pearse is doing is trying to buy support. Everyone wants to keep money in their own pocket but if AIB charge fees then that's their business. People can switch to other banks if they want. Most of the profits AIB make would come back to the government anyway in dividends and taxes so it's not as if there are some Scrooge type characters breaking the backs of ordinary customers.

satguy

While the GP are worried about salad,, SF are worried about things like this..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/it-is-disgraceful--aib-criticised-for-taking-as-much-as-100-in-bank-fees-from-covid-19-unemployed-991253.html?fbclid=IwAR0_PyMgVRJh7bJe4spzFIrbwGvrFIqhJ6giS5uyVtEbc4MPjegVHVc9ywY

Horses for courses..

tobsey

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Delays in testing...GPs worried...HSE apologising...the main news story almost today.

A few deniers with egg on their face on here.

You still haven’t given an opinion on it though. Are you staying it’s FG’s fault or that they should have done something differently? You dropped it in here a few days ago with no context or opinion. What’s it got to do with whether FG are in the next government or not?

satguy

Muahahaha wrote: »

But what about the Greens? They did very well out of the election with 12 seats and are now able to form part of a government, in fact they are really the king makers here and they could get their taxing agenda underway in no time at all/

Plus during this crisis they told us all to go and plant seeds on every south facing windowsill in Ireland so we would have our salads ''''ready to go".

Is this kind of leadership from the Greens not worthy of them being involved in government?

I'm sure most GP voters now have buyers remorse

The GP took seats away from FG and FF, but mostly FG.

Now it seem they might put back into power, the two parties whos seat they now sit on... WHY ?

I think its back to only one seat at the next GE,, and rightly so.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

So now you facetimed him from across the street.

As someone once said, the tale grew in the telling.

Where did I say that?

Poster seems to think that in the year 2020 I only knew my neighbour needed some shopping dropped off at their house, and the condition of their health both before I did and since, by face to face verbal communication - seems there's a whole array of technology nowadays they've not yet heard of.

Honestly blanch, give it over - you're a wear out.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

You do know why I'm asking you, or are you seriously suggesting to me that in 2020 you assume communication with neighbours can only be made with a neighbour from face to face verbal communication from across the street

You're gonna be blown away when I demonstrate facetime

So now you facetimed him from across the street.

As someone once said, the tale grew in the telling.

FrancieBrady

Delays in testing...GPs worried...HSE apologising...the main news story almost today.

A few deniers with egg on their face on here.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

You do know why I'm asking you, or are you seriously suggesting to me that in 2020 you assume communication with neighbours can only be made with a neighbour from face to face verbal communication from across the street

You're gonna be blown away when I demonstrate facetime

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

I have.

Not sure why you are asking me.

You do know why I'm asking you, or are you seriously suggesting to me that in 2020 you assume communication with neighbours can only be made with a neighbour from face to face verbal communication from across the street

You're gonna be blown away when I demonstrate facetime

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Ever heard of mobile phones and WhatsApp?

I have.

Not sure why you are asking me.

FrancieBrady

jmayo wrote: »

WTF are you on?

Just because someone calls out the shyte in the North we are flanagan supports.

And it is a bit fooking rich coming from you of all people accusing people of being linked to certain parties.

The guy that is NOT a sinn fein supporter, the one who is on every single sinn fein related thread singing from the party fooking hymn book.

About the only time you weren't singing from that playbook was when you adopted wee Mickie in the presidential election.

Of course maybe it was because you didn't like Peter Casey.

ah the days of Peter Casey when you got your knickers in an almighty twist.

BTW I heard a rumour Peter is going to come out of retirement with a plan to save us all.

Now where is my popcorn.

BTW charlie flanagan is a gobshyte.

I am calling out anyone who thinks an irish Republican will 'welcome back' the British Army as a fool...just like Charlie Flanagan made a fool of himself and his party.

Those who are that foolish to think that the British army will be welcomed back or honoured for what they did will be known as CharlieFlanaganites regardless of what party you support. You can thank Charlie for that.

jmayo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Charlie Flanagans are getting up on their white horses again.

I would have no problem with any 'medic' saving my life Jmayo.

AGAIN, read this slowly because there seems to be some confusion in CharlieLand...there is NOT a hope in hell that the 'British Army' will be 'welcomed back' by any republican/nationalist/ self respecting Irish person ever. Forget that was ever a prospect even in Charlie's wettest dream.

Now, on the question of them helping out as a civilian force with the neccessary equipment and skills ...no problemo. That is the current government of the UK's responsibility to provide if needed. The GFA doesn't just put onus'es on republicans/nationalists.

WTF are you on?

Just because someone calls out the shyte in the North we are flanagan supports.

And it is a bit fooking rich coming from you of all people accusing people of being linked to certain parties.

The guy that is NOT a sinn fein supporter, the one who is on every single sinn fein related thread singing from the party fooking hymn book.

About the only time you weren't singing from that playbook was when you adopted wee Mickie in the presidential election.

Of course maybe it was because you didn't like Peter Casey.

ah the days of Peter Casey when you got your knickers in an almighty twist.

BTW I heard a rumour Peter is going to come out of retirement with a plan to save us all.

Now where is my popcorn.

BTW charlie flanagan is a gobshyte.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Ever heard of mobile phones and WhatsApp?

The only non 'idiots' are the FG/Green non 'idiots'.

If you are a FGer/Green supporter and suspect you may have the virus and require a test, you are not an 'idiot' seemingly.
But anybody else who suspects they have the virus and needs/wants a test, is an idiot if the test turns out to be negative it seems.

Funny old world is the world of the FG spinner!

Mortelaro

atticu wrote: »

It seems that you managed to get a lot of information from your neighbor in a short conversation from across the road.

It also all ended well with your neighbor making a full recovery.