Is it just me or have SF vanished?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You couldn't possibly look at how SF have "governed" in NI and think they are who we need to run this country, at least, not rationally.

NI remains one of the poorest places in Europe, it has high state dependant employment, a homelessness crisis and (most seriously imo) a suicide crisis.

SF are not to blame for all of the above, but they have done sweet **** all to solve any of the above. If anything, when faced with Brexit and the suicide crisis they collapsed the assembly. Bizarre. Genuinely bizarre.

DUP hold the reins in NI in reality. We shouldn’t really be using SF up north as any gauge as it’s not comparable to here.

is_that_so

Rows Grower wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/doherty-seeks-central-bank-assurance-on-customer-protection-991104.html

To his credit Pearse is singlehandedly trying to resurrect the art of letter writing!

Yurt2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The problem is the Trump type voter are now outnumbering the rest of us, then it will be a mess

If we were to do a blind taste test on the posts on this thread, you and fellow travelers would test positive for strong symptoms of Trumpism.

[Deleted User]

Runaways wrote: »

DUP hold the reins in NI in reality. We shouldn’t really be using SF up north as any gauge as it’s not comparable to here.

Ah would you stop, there's always someone else for SF to blame.

DUP are bad bastards too, and lousy at actual governance, but there is a pair of them in it.

Sorry, just to edit, the idea we should ignore their performance in NI is bizarre. We can see there exactly what SF do in power, and it's nothing much.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You couldn't possibly look at how SF have "governed" in NI and think they are who we need to run this country, at least, not rationally.

NI remains one of the poorest places in Europe, it has high state dependant employment, a homelessness crisis and (most seriously imo) a suicide crisis.

SF are not to blame for all of the above, but they have done sweet **** all to solve any of the above. If anything, when faced with Brexit and the suicide crisis they collapsed the assembly. Bizarre. Genuinely bizarre.

They didn’t collapse the Assembly over Brexit, they collapsed it over a corruption scam involving the DUP. It gets used then as a stick to beat them with by FFGers down here. SF were powerless to stop Brexit. What’s this about a suicide crisis? Anyway Norn Ireland is a jumped up county council and a strange power sharing one at that, governing down here is different. Apples and oranges.

is_that_so wrote: »

To his credit Pearse is singlehandedly trying to resurrect the art of letter writing!

I’m seeing this loads the last few days! Made me wish I had a fountain pen and loads of posh paper

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah would you stop, there's always someone else for SF to blame.

DUP are bad bastards too, and lousy at actual governance, but there is a pair of them in it.

Sorry, just to edit, the idea we should ignore their performance in NI is bizarre. We can see there exactly what SF do in power, and it's nothing much.

Well no. We’ve a different set of SF tds here. I don’t know much about even MON but she’s capable and has somehow managed to work with Arlene. Which is really no small feat.

MLMD and PD are far more capable than their NI colleagues I’d imagine.

Ps I don’t know if true but the suicide numbers in NI lean far more into the unionist communities. Not really sure what any party up there could do to stop that. It’s awful though.

[Deleted User]

TheCitizen wrote: »

They didn’t collapse the Assembly over Brexit, they collapsed it over a corruption scam involving the DUP. It gets used then as a stick to beat them with by FFGers down here. SF were powerless to stop Brexit. What’s this about a suicide crisis? Anyway Norn Ireland is a jumped up county council and a strange power sharing one at that, governing down here is different. Apples and oranges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/01/world/europe/northern-ireland-suicide.html

NI has one of the highest rates of suicide in the world, and it's getting worse. I am continually disappointed how little coverage it gets (though I know there's restrictions on reporting such things) in Ireland generally.

That article makes for depressing reading btw, by most metrics SF/DUP have been a disaster for NI.

Wanderer78

TheCitizen wrote: »

LOL so anyone but FFG is the Trump option. The old self preservation society (FFG) are hanging in there for now right enough. Their grip on Irish society and use and abuse of it for their own ends is slipping though.

unfortunately our political system is stuck, with no real alternatives capable of governance, ffg is far from the trump option, theres major differences between both, intelligence being one, compassion and understanding also from ffg compared to trump. i disagree with the slip, ffg are very much in control, and i expect them to come off very well after this virus, particularly fg, and on we go. i can never see alternatives such as sf being ever able to lead a government largely due to the power play by both ffg, they ll never give that up

[Deleted User]

Runaways wrote: »

Well no. We’ve a different set of SF tds here. I don’t know much about even MON but she’s capable and has somehow managed to work with Arlene. Which is really no small feat.

MLMD and PD are far more capable than their NI colleagues I’d imagine.

Ps I don’t know if true but the suicide numbers in NI lean far more into the unionist communities. Not really sure what any party up there could do to stop that. It’s awful though.

Genuine question, what tangible proof are you basing that opinion on.

The rational thing is to assume they are equally inept either side of the border, imo.

overkill602

Runaways wrote: »

Well no. We’ve a different set of SF tds here. I don’t know much about even MON but she’s capable and has somehow managed to work with Arlene. Which is really no small feat.

MLMD and PD are far more capable than their NI colleagues I’d imagine.

Ps I don’t know if true but the suicide numbers in NI lean far more into the unionist communities. Not really sure what any party up there could do to stop that. It’s awful though.

Voilet the rent defaulter and the up the ra clown... yeah it the headers behind PD people are wondering about.

The electorate in general have elected or reelected some real gems to be fair a few examples the green salad man Ryan, hand in the till Lowry and kilarnery chip van plant hire gombeens.

Yurt! wrote: »

If we were to do a blind taste test on the posts on this thread, you and fellow travelers would test positive for strong symptoms of Trumpism.

Ahh touched a nerve....a traveler as you call them as some sort of insult, would have better manners than I have seen from any of your posts

Runaways wrote: »

DUP hold the reins in NI in reality. We shouldn’t really be using SF up north as any gauge as it’s not comparable to here.

As always, it’s someone else’s fault

DUP and SF are power sharing, so how is it DUP holding the reins?

SF don’t want people to use the North as a reference cause it shows they lack any sort of negotiating power!! Shown in the North and now repeated in Republic

Wanderer78 wrote: »

unfortunately our political system is stuck, with no real alternatives capable of governance, ffg is far from the trump option, theres major differences between both, intelligence being one, compassion and understanding also from ffg compared to trump. i disagree with the slip, ffg are very much in control, and i expect them to come off very well after this virus, particularly fg, and on we go. i can never see alternatives such as sf being ever able to lead a government largely due to the power play by both ffg, they ll never give that up

Their (FFG) cumulative vote share has dwindled progressively over several decades to the point where they're now getting into government together and they don't even have the numbers to form a government without add ons from others.

So they've given up on the hold they had when they were always either leaders of government or leaders of the opposition. They're losing their grip alright, make no mistake about it.

Wanderer78

TheCitizen wrote: »

Their (FFG) cumulative vote share has dwindled progressively over several decades to the point where they're now getting into government together and they don't even have the numbers to form a government without add ons from others.

So they've given up on the hold they had when they were always either leaders of government or leaders of the opposition. They're losing their grip alright, make no mistake about it.

theyre still in full control, of course you re right on some points, but expect this 'partnership' to carry on for a long time, possibly indefinitely, they ll do everything in their power to remain in power, blocking alternatives. the only thing the alternatives can do is influence ffg, which is currently what is happening, and is somewhat working

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As always, it’s someone else’s fault

DUP and SF are power sharing, so how is it DUP holding the reins?

SF don’t want people to use the North as a reference cause it shows they lack any sort of negotiating power!! Shown in the North and now repeated in Republic

There are plenty of resources out there to study how things work (or don't work) in the north.

BTW, they negotiated a deal to get government back up and running OVER 2 years ago. While doing your research, have a look at who walked away from that and why. And who tacitly endorsed those that walked away by bringing them into a 'deal' in Westminster.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Genuine question, what tangible proof are you basing that opinion on.

The rational thing is to assume they are equally inept either side of the border, imo.

Well we’re not locked into orange v green and the massive divides for a start.
And your analogy only works if we also say Leo is equally as inept as Maria Bailey.
Just cos you think one member of a party is crap means they all must crap on that party be isnt really how this works I’m afraid.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As always, it’s someone else’s fault

DUP and SF are power sharing, so how is it DUP holding the reins?

SF don’t want people to use the North as a reference cause it shows they lack any sort of negotiating power!! Shown in the North and now repeated in Republic

Who's fault it it that the health service is in worse nick than ever in this country after two terms of FG lead governments despite a few years of economic prosperity and many promises when they were in opposition prior to that that they would reform the public health system?

One term of SF in power and let’s see how much their support dwindles. That’s the issue now and why I would prefer to throw SF into power now

SF and seemingly their supports are great at throwing mud at opposite but not too great at doing anything

As I said al along, stick them in now, give it 12 months and apart from the social welfare crew the entire country will be kicking them to touch. Then we won’t have to listen to page after page of thread like this with all talk and no action

Problem is Mary Lou couldn’t negotiate her way out of a wet paper bag so she will not get anyone to join up with them, so rest of us will have to listen to years of this s**t about “ well SF would have done xyz”, God help us all....

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ahh touched a nerve....a traveler as you call them as some sort of insult, would have better manners than I have seen from any of your posts

This post reminds me of a quote from Abraham Lincoln "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

TheCitizen wrote: »

Who's fault it it that the health service is in worse nick than ever in this country after two terms of FG lead governments despite a few years of economic prosperity and many promises when they were in opposition prior to that that they would reform the public health system?

Nice goal post move....we are talking about SF in North, instead of firing mud at a party in South, maybe explain how SF have managed to completely f**k it up so bad in north they had no government for 3 years

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As always, it’s someone else’s fault

DUP and SF are power sharing, so how is it DUP holding the reins?

SF don’t want people to use the North as a reference cause it shows they lack any sort of negotiating power!! Shown in the North and now repeated in Republic

Only yesterday MON said an all island approach on covid was coming.

But they needed 5 ministers an only had three.

Guess who they needed support from and who wouldn’t agree to it?

The dup

all about the mane

TheCitizen wrote: »

Who's fault it it that the health service is in worse nick than ever in this country after two terms of FG lead governments despite a few years of economic prosperity and many promises when they were in opposition prior to that that they would reform the public health system?

When SF get into power, they can tackle the health system. It’ll be sorted in no time

Runaways wrote: »

Only yesterday MON said an all island approach on covid was coming.

But they needed 5 ministers an only had three.

Guess who they needed support from and who wouldn’t agree to it?

The dup

Again, power sharing

Instead of talking to press the idea would be to talk to the DUP, only a gob**t negotiated via the press. That’s what SF do, same with Mary Lou shouting about FF, instead of talking to FF she was shouting to RTÉ

Your point is a negative, not a positive. SF have learned nothing from shutting down the North assembly for 3 years, the way they are going it will be closed down again soon

Shefwedfan wrote: »

One term of SF in power and let’s see how much their support dwindles. That’s the issue now and why I would prefer to throw SF into power now

SF and seemingly their supports are great at throwing mud at opposite but not too great at doing anything

As I said al along, stick them in now, give it 12 months and apart from the social welfare crew the entire country will be kicking them to touch. Then we won’t have to listen to page after page of thread like this with all talk and no action

Problem is Mary Lou couldn’t negotiate her way out of a wet paper bag so she will not get anyone to join up with them, so rest of us will have to listen to years of this s**t about “ well SF would have done xyz”, God help us all....

Sure sure here's the "stick them into power and see how they do" shtick again, but in reality the party you voted for have no intention of doing any such thing.

That insufferable bollocks Patrick O'Donavon was out with that gibberish post election saying "We (FG) lost the election ...it's up to SF to form a government etc..." knowing full well that SF needed to go in with either FF or FG if they were to form a government and him knowing full well that FF would not go in with SF as equal partners and FG sure as hell wouldn't go in with SF as junior partners. O'Donovan wasn't the only one coming out with that gibberish, you're talking the same rot now. When push came to shove and despite in their own terms after "losing the election"; FG will cling to the reigns of power.

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Again, power sharing

Instead of talking to press the idea would be to talk to the DUP, only a gob**t negotiated via the press. That’s what SF do, same with Mary Lou shouting about FF, instead of talking to FF she was shouting to RTÉ

Your point is a negative, not a positive. SF have learned nothing from shutting down the North assembly for 3 years, the way they are going it will be closed down again soon

You just keep digging and digging that hole.

LOOK at who negotiated a deal with the DUp. LOOK at who walked away from that deal and LOOK at who endorsed that walk away.

LOOK at how the deal was eventually done when the DUP were finished with by the people who had endorsed them previously.

Of course you won't look at that and will continue to do the digging.