Is it just me or have SF vanished?

aido79 wrote: »

they say they'd do it's always easier to say these things from the opposition benches.

I think that's a facet of opposition parties everywhere not just here.

How is the 'we won't go into a coaltion with FG' claim standing up for FF.

TheCitizen

aido79 wrote: »

They wanted to increase the payment to €525

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/03/26/news/irish-news/sinn-fein-coronavirus-unemployment-benefit/amp

Who knows if they would actually have done this if they were in government. Like everything else they say they'd do it's always easier to say these things from the opposition benches.

Yes there's some truth in that. Fine Gael for example when they were in opposition under Enda Kenny and Bertie was Taoiseach, they were coming out with great plans to sort out the health system.

They had James O'Reilly as their health spokesman and he used to make impassioned speeches in the Dail in tears at times on behalf of punters who were suffering at the hands of Fianna Fail's incompetence with he health system. FG had a plan they called Universal Health Insurance which was to do away with the two tier health system.

When Fine Gael got into government this grand scheme was never to be heard of again and 9 years later the health system under Fine Gael is in worse nick than ever.

You see Fine Gael have been in power for two full terms and they did fúck all when they were in there in relation to Health and Housing and then there was other waste like the Irish Water debacles and lots of other things besides. That's why Fine Gael (in their own words) lost the election along with other gaffes like poor arrogant publicity stunts that backfired spectacularly from Charlie Tanaghan and others lest we forget.

Now SF if they got in may not be much better we don't actually know the answer until whenever it is that they get in, they might be a lot better though who knows? We can say they're less beholding to vested interests in the health and housing sectors so maybe they're better positioned to tackle reform in those areas.

However what we do know without question, is that FG will do next to fúck all as regards the health system in particular if they go back in again this time as junior partners for FF. We know that because they did fúck all when they were in there over the last 9 years. They don't even have the political will to take on vested interests in key areas of society.

Phoebas wrote: »

... in your imagination.

He loves banging on about "fanboys" as if he isn't a Sinn Fein "fanboy" himself.

TheCitizen

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

He loves banging on about "fanboys" as if he isn't a Sinn Fein "fanboy" himself.

I'm no SF fanboy pal, I had the Greens and the SocDems on my ballot paper don't you know:pac:

Runaways wrote: »

After rents supplement is added to the 350 it’ll work out around 525 or even more

Gas the way socialism comes to the rescue of capitalism every few years especially after FG only having one setting which austerity.

It’ll be back in that gear soon enough for us all sadly.

It is the other way round.

Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money to pay for everything.

Deleted User wrote: »

an postal election before september is only way out from present impasse,

Deleted User wrote: »

To best of my knowledge,no new legislation can be passed with present impasse as its too long since election

Some consistency in posting would be useful. On the one hand you suggest a postal election before September, but then immediately contradict yourself in the next post that no new legislation can be passed!!!!!

How will you get new legislation for your postal election????

TheCitizen wrote: »

I'm no SF fanboy pal, I had the Greens and the SocDems on my ballot paper don't you know:pac:

I thought that was McMurphy?

TheCitizen wrote: »

I'm no SF fanboy pal, I had the Greens and the SocDems on my ballot paper don't you know:pac:

Still makes you a fanboy under your own criteria

suicide_circus

Runaways wrote: »

Gas the way socialism comes to the rescue of capitalism every few years

don't you get that its a symbiotic relationship? Do you know what socialism without capitalism is called? Famine.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think that's a facet of opposition parties everywhere not just here.

How is the 'we won't go into a coaltion with FG' claim standing up for FF.

Yes it is and can usually be a good thing if followed up with realistic alternatives or ideas.

Politicians changing their minds or plans after an election could also be seen as a facet of political parties everywhere not just here.

aido79 wrote: »

Yes it is and can usually be a good thing if followed up with realistic alternatives or ideas.

Politicians changing their minds or plans after an election could also be seen as a facet of political parties everywhere not just here.

Hardly 'could be seen'. It has been a fairly staple behaviour of the power swap parties over the 100 years of the state.
Referenced in a joking way by Pat Rabitte and Regina 'Who reads manifestos' Doherty.

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yes there's some truth in that. Fine Gael for example when they were in opposition under Enda Kenny and Bertie was Taoiseach, they were coming out with great plans to sort out the health system.

They had James O'Reilly as their health spokesman and he used to make impassioned speeches in the Dail in tears at times on behalf of punters who were suffering at the hands of Fianna Fail's incompetence with he health system. FG had a plan they called Universal Health Insurance which was to do away with the two tier health system.

When Fine Gael got into government this grand scheme was never to be heard of again and 9 years later the health system under Fine Gael is in worse nick than ever.

You see Fine Gael have been in power for two full terms and they did fúck all when they were in there in relation to Health and Housing and then there was other waste like the Irish Water debacles and lots of other things besides. That's why Fine Gael (in their own words) lost the election along with other gaffes like poor arrogant publicity stunts that backfired spectacularly from Charlie Tanaghan and others lest we forget.

Now SF if they got in may not be much better we don't actually know the answer until whenever it is that they get in, they might be a lot better though who knows? We can say they're less beholding to vested interests in the health and housing sectors so maybe they're better positioned to tackle reform in those areas.

However what we do know without question, is that FG will do next to fúck all as regards the health system in particular if they go back in again this time as junior partners for FF. We know that because they did fúck all when they were in there over the last 9 years. They don't even have the political will to take on vested interests in key areas of society.

It's a big step into reality going from the opposition benches into government as it is very easy to criticise a government when you're not the one making the hard decisions and getting the figures to add up. Big ideas always need to be followed up with details and I most parties in opposition are guilty of criticising the party in power when they know they themselves wouldn't do much better if they were given the opportunity to have a go at making things better

One thing is for sure though. Sinn Fein's manifesto has gotten a severe dose of coronavirus and is currently somewhere between life support and the cemetery. Their promises are worth nothing after this is over.

Runaways

suicide_circus wrote: »

don't you get that its a symbiotic relationship? Do you know what socialism without capitalism is called? Famine.

Ventilators just went from $20,000 to $50,000

Boy that capitalism sure is pricey if you like breathing. Or healthcare in general.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hardly 'could be seen'. It has been a fairly staple behaviour of the power swap parties over the 100 years of the state.
Referenced in a joking way by Pat Rabitte and Regina 'Who reads manifestos' Doherty.

Do you think the vast majority of SF supporters read their manifesto?

aido79 wrote: »

Do you think the vast majority of SF supporters read their manifesto?

I gave SF a vote in a GE for the first time ever and didn't read it. I have managed to get to my mid 50's and I have never read a full manifesto from any of them.

They are written in the 'sales' dept of the party's I'm afraid. Valueless, when it comes down to it because they all throw them away once elected and will not be held to account on them.

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

Ventilators just went from $20,000 to $50,000

Boy that capitalism sure is pricey if you like breathing. Or healthcare in general.

Where you see that?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I gave SF a vote in a GE for the first time ever and didn't read it. I have managed to get to my mid 50's and I have never read a full manifesto from any of them.

They are written in the 'sales' dept of the party's I'm afraid. Valueless, when it comes down to it because they all throw them away once elected and will not be held to account on them.

Why did you vote for them if you didn't believe their promises? Do you think Matt Carty is better for Monaghan than Heather Humphreys or that Pauline Tully was better for Cavan than Brendan Smith(just examples)?
Or was it just a protest vote for change just like so many other first time SF voters?

aido79 wrote: »

Why did you vote for them if you didn't believe their promises? Do you think Matt Carty is better for Monaghan than Heather Humphreys or that Pauline Tully was better for Cavan than Brendan Smith(just examples)?
Or was it just a protest vote for change just like so many other first time SF voters?

It wasn't a case of 'not believing'. I simply pay no attention to promises.

I made my choice based on who I believed would deliver fair and balanced government.

I might also say, I don't think any of them are fit to govern on their own for varying reasons.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I gave SF a vote in a GE for the first time ever and didn't read it. I have managed to get to my mid 50's and I have never read a full manifesto from any of them.

They are written in the 'sales' dept of the party's I'm afraid. Valueless, when it comes down to it because they all throw them away once elected and will not be held to account on them.

First time ever haha? Mother of God. Who were you voting for before that? Eirigi? Or were you not voting at all?

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

First time ever haha? Mother of God. Who were you voting for before that? Eirigi? Or were you not voting at all?

I have given votes to all the major parties over the years, never Eirigi.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/30/cuomo-says-ventilators-cost-50000-up-from-20000-as-states-compete-for-the-devices/

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have given votes to all the major parties over the years, never Eirigi.

Fair enough. I had you down as a die in the wool Sinn Feiner. Nothing wrong with that, just surprised you'd never voted for them before the last GE.

Runaways

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Where you see that?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It wasn't a case of 'not believing'. I simply pay no attention to promises.

I made my choice based on who I believed would deliver fair and balanced government.

I might also say, I don't think any of them are fit to govern on their own for varying reasons.

Who would be your preferred fair and balanced government?

aido79 wrote: »

Who would be your preferred fair and balanced government?

I'd have liked to have seen SF/FF in for a while with maybe the Greens in there.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd have liked to have seen SF/FF in for a while with maybe the Greens in there.

Can you imagine trying to pick a Taoiseach from that mixðŸ˜?

aido79 wrote: »

Can you imagine trying to pick a Taoiseach from that mixðŸ˜?

Funny, the only person on this planet I would begrudge the Taoiseach job to is Michael Martin.
I thought he'd fall on his sword actually as things were playing out. C-19 put a stop to that dream.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Funny, the only person on this planet I would begrudge the Taoiseach job to is Michael Martin.
I thought he'd fall on his sword actually as things were playing out. C-19 put a stop to that dream.

IN reality unless another election Michael Martin will be the next taoiseach....

Runaways wrote: »

Ventilators just went from $20,000 to $50,000

Boy that capitalism sure is pricey if you like breathing. Or healthcare in general.

Did you see that on Twitter or Facebook?

Or is it just the latest allegation?