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Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

terminator74

Has anyone had any negative reactions from other people when you are out running? My wife was running with 2 friends in the Phoenix Park on Tuesday and was verbally abused by a man stating that they acting recklessly by running in groups.

Maybe this has made me paranoid but I do feel I am getting some funny looks, from people particularly older people, while out running the last few days.

Any similar experiences or what are people views about appropriate behaviour here?

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SeeMoreBut

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well, there's a lot of people who just won't be told what to do isn't there....do 2 wrongs make a right?

Anyway I'll leave you to it, but when you are out for your 14km run think that there are people dying in hospital and people trying to save them. All you have to worry about is going for a run, maybe think you could play a bigger part than that.

What is a bigger threat in catching it? 14km run meeting one man his dog or going for milk in your local Tesco's and the likes?

Chivito550

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well, there's a lot of people who just won't be told what to do isn't there....do 2 wrongs make a right?

Anyway I'll leave you to it, but when you are out for your 14km run think that there are people dying in hospital and people trying to save them. All you have to worry about is going for a run, maybe think you could play a bigger part than that.

I'm not a distance runner, and the extent of my training right now requires about a 200m stretch on an isolated path or road, but thanks for your concern.

SuspectZero

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well, there's a lot of people who just won't be told what to do isn't there....do 2 wrongs make a right?

Anyway I'll leave you to it, but when you are out for your 14km run think that there are people dying in hospital and people trying to save them. All you have to worry about is going for a run, maybe think you could play a bigger part than that.

Chivito could probably run a workout in his driveway #sprinterssavelives

SuspectZero

IvoryTower wrote: »

"Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact"

Might help calm some of you down

This is based on probability, they use the same measure for the flu, doesn't mean you are safe if you only spent 7 minutes with an infected person, just means your risk is much higher the longer a person spends in close contact to someone infected, if someone sneezed/coughed in your face for instance, it would be much shorter. But generally yes, it is much harder to get infected than people think. hence, why even every hospital worker who are closest to infected people don't all get infected so the panic of passing someone in the street is a bit much.

As for the lockdown guidelines on 2km and brief exercise, this is again probability based, If you go to the football field and run for 3 hours with no one around, your risk isn't any higher. If you are are running in a highly population dense area, that might risk would be highly increased at 10 minutes. So I'm not sure what people are freaking out about, they are trying to stop community transmissions, the word community obviously meaning been close to someone. They dont want you to go more than 2k because you might come into contact with other communities and start spreading it intercommunally. And if you never come into contact with another person whether out 10 mins or 10 hours, your risk is pretty much the same as at home, on the other hand, in a big city, you might meet 10 people in 30 minutes but 100 in three hours so more potential to transmit or catch.

They are not going to set a convuluted set of guidelines for these things and it's just a matter of common sense, it's not as black and white as a lot of people make out.

PhilOssophy

Chivito550 wrote: »

I think what this whole thing has shown us is that there are a lot of self-righteous people who post on the Internet.

Well, there's a lot of people who just won't be told what to do isn't there....do 2 wrongs make a right?

Anyway I'll leave you to it, but when you are out for your 14km run think that there are people dying in hospital and people trying to save them. All you have to worry about is going for a run, maybe think you could play a bigger part than that.

IvoryTower

"Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact"

Might help calm some of you down

Van.Bosch

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Well they did give guidance of 2km from home. So I guess you could technically run that distance and back until you hit your target, although if we all did this, the roads would be full.

It’s 2km radius, so not like you have to run up and down the same 2km road.

Lazare

PhilOssophy wrote: »

... as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

lol

This gave me a good laugh. Thanks.

sideswipe

I’m lucky enough to have a treadmill at home so will use it and leave as much space on footpaths for others. I was running towards an older lady on Friday and she stopped dead terrified. I ran onto the road in a wide arc as it was empty. This is hard for us all so let’s work together. I know most runners here have the cop on to pick quiet times and locations to run, we don’t want to be slaloming through hordes of people either.

But perhaps we could use this opportunity to do something we often neglect. Work on a S&C routine or try out plyometric exercises at home. maybe there is a chance here to learn something new so when we get back to normal we might actually be better runners.

Trampas

The anti runners how do you manage to get food during this? Local delivery or shops open especially for you? Or is that you td Ryan and growing your salad on your window ledge?

Burkie1203

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think what this whole thing has showed us is that while most of us are reasonable people and are happy to help with playing our part, there is always numpties who want to carry on as usual and just are unwilling to be reasonable.
Unless you are doing a 14km run on a treadmill in your basement, you are not being reasonable. I don't care how quickly you do it, how much you sweat, when you do it. anything. It does not matter and what if you were the asymptomatic coronavirus carrier, as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

I did 10km today. Furthest from home was 1.8km. Ran on the road for about 3km due to them being empty and partially to create space to the 3 others out and about at that time.

On the spitting issue, I am ultra careful to choose where, usually into nettles or thorns. If anyone gets that into their system from their then covid19 is the least of their worries.

I'm lucky to live with 3 fairly big parks near me which i can avoid to be fairly alone on my run.

Chivito550

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think what this whole thing has showed us is that while most of us are reasonable people and are happy to help with playing our part, there is always numpties who want to carry on as usual and just are unwilling to be reasonable.
Unless you are doing a 14km run on a treadmill in your basement, you are not being reasonable. I don't care how quickly you do it, how much you sweat, when you do it. anything. It does not matter and what if you were the asymptomatic coronavirus carrier, as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

I think what this whole thing has shown us is that there are a lot of self-righteous people who post on the Internet.

Thepoet85

Stark wrote:

Not to mention that sweat is not considered to be a transmission vector. Maybe leave the guidance to the government/CMO and not Twitter cranks?

Well they did give guidance of 2km from home. So I guess you could technically run that distance and back until you hit your target, although if we all did this, the roads would be full.

Tordelback

PhilOssophy wrote: »

It does not matter and what if you were the asymptomatic coronavirus carrier, as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

This is not what any government advice has said, though. The transmission of C19 through sweat hasn't ever been claimed, to my knowledge, except in the context of humidity in gyms being a conducive environment for the virus.

Coughing, spitting, absolutely - and many runners (and cyclists) are divils for spitting. So don't do that.

Stark

Not to mention that sweat is not considered to be a transmission vector. Maybe leave the guidance to the government/CMO and not Twitter cranks?

robinph

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I think what this whole thing has showed us is that while most of us are reasonable people and are happy to help with playing our part, there is always numpties who want to carry on as usual and just are unwilling to be reasonable.
Unless you are doing a 14km run on a treadmill in your basement, you are not being reasonable. I don't care how quickly you do it, how much you sweat, when you do it. anything. It does not matter and what if you were the asymptomatic coronavirus carrier, as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

Unless people have taken to licking the soles of their shoes clean on returning home I don't think there is much to worry about.

PhilOssophy

I think what this whole thing has showed us is that while most of us are reasonable people and are happy to help with playing our part, there is always numpties who want to carry on as usual and just are unwilling to be reasonable.
Unless you are doing a 14km run on a treadmill in your basement, you are not being reasonable. I don't care how quickly you do it, how much you sweat, when you do it. anything. It does not matter and what if you were the asymptomatic coronavirus carrier, as you leave your sweat on the streets for others to walk over and drag into their home.

ger664

Restrictions are to limit/control the spread of the virus. The issued guidelines on the 2K are open to interputation. For me its more critical to behave in a manner that doesnt endanger you or others

Wash Hands thourghly before going for run
Bring a buff/hankcerchief from when you cough or have the urge to clear your nose
Keep a 2M distance between anyone you meet on the run
Do it at a time that reduces your contact with others
Dont touch any surface with your hands while out
Dont touch mouth,nose or eyes (this bit is hard)
Keep to within 2K of your home
Wash your hands thourhly when you get home

Wheteher its 30min or 14K been mindful of how it spreads is what will beat this

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Link me to government guidelines that say "once a day"?

Or did you just make that up?

UK guidelines not Ireland.

Walked the dog in the part at 630am nonone there

Ran at 715am in the part went by one runner, a good 3 meters apart.

Kids on their bikes at 930 in the park, still pretty empty.

Now in for the day.

average_runner

stockshares wrote: »

The poster RobinPh said a 30min walk was better than a 10min run so I said take the walk.

The restriction is 2km. It is not 30min.

2k radius of your house is the restriction.

SeeMoreBut

stockshares wrote: »

The advice from Cork County Board applies here. Did you really need to run 14km.

https://www.corkathletics.org/news/1670-editorial-do-you-really-need-to-get-out.html

I don’t live in cork so why would I be looking at that. I’ve looked at it and can’t see where it says max 2km run in total.

14km is just over an hour easy pace for me. If I went out now for 2km out and back now I’d see more people than I did at 6am this morning.

People are running within the guidelines and seems like more people are running early and late to minimise the number of people they come across. Like the person walking their dogs. Up early to walk them rather than during the day.

Should a person with a big dog who needs long walk only bring it out for 30 minutes also?

You swear runners where leaving a trail of the virus behind them in their footprints.

By some people thinking that supermarkets be only allowed in one at a time in case you see someone and catch the virus of them.

Far less likely to catch the virus out for a run than going to the shops to get a carton of milk.

cjt156

Stark wrote: »

It comes from an authoritative source: the twitter account of Donegal Brass Band.

Raphoe or Pride of Inishowen?

F@cking splitters.

Stark

Chivito550 wrote: »

Link me to government guidelines that say "once a day"?

Or did you just make that up?

It comes from an authoritative source: the twitter account of Donegal Brass Band.

Phoebas

Chivito550 wrote: »

Link me to government guidelines that say "once a day"?

Or did you just make that up?

I didn't make it up, but it's possible that I misinterpreted something .

I'll have a look-see and get back to you.

Glencarraig

stockshares wrote: »

Everyone can run/walk but the advice is to keep it brief.

The selfish idiots amongst us think 14km is brief exercise.

They don't grasp that the longer you are out running/walking the risk of spread increases due to the fact that you are more likely to have interactions with others.

What if you ran 14km in an area where you didnt meet anybody?

Glencarraig

EDit wrote: »

Going out and running “all you like” is hardly brief, is it?

Depends on whether you are a marathon runner or a 100 mtr sprinter

Chivito550

Phoebas wrote: »

I think the reasons for the new restrictions from yesterday go a lot further than that.

They are telling people to stay in their homes and only go out in a narrow range of circumstances.
Even for exercise, they are saying that you must limit going out to once a day.

Link me to government guidelines that say "once a day"?

Or did you just make that up?

Tordelback

How is 2km max distance from your home any sort of limit on how far you can run in an hour?

Even on a single straight road run 2km out, then head back past you house, 2km in the other direction and you're 8km up when you get home. Then do it, or some of it again if you have time.

Better yet, if possible run 2km out then do a 2km-radius circle, and 2km back to base, that's 19km. Do that twice it's only a few miles short of a marathon.

The idea of the 2km restriction is to stop half the country ending up on the same country lane/beach/mountain.

Phoebas

mloc123 wrote: »

IMO... The new rules are to stop the nonsense we had last weekend. People crowding to howth, glendalough etc... Keep people in their local areas, the usual fair weather walkers will just sit in and watch TV when there is no fish and chips to buy after their stroll along the pier.

I think the reasons for the new restrictions from yesterday go a lot further than that.

They are telling people to stay in their homes and only go out in a narrow range of circumstances.
Even for exercise, they are saying that you must limit going out to once a day.

velo.2010

'Brief exercise' means keeping the amount of people you potentially interact with to a minimum. You may only pass a handful of people on a 30 min run/walk, but you will pass many more if you go out for an hour or more. That's the logic - minimising contact and the potential spread of the virus. Also, the A&E wards don't need to be taken up by folk with sprained/broken ankles after being out for an hour or two walking/running.

Remember, the primary instruction for all of us is to stay indoors. In two weeks time, we may well be told not to venture outside for any reason. Running on the spot and reps of climbing the stairs might become the norm for those unlucky not to have a treadmill or exercise bike.

BTW, I'm a cyclist, used to several hours a day on the bike. I'm now confined to a turbo-trainer (stationary bike) for 40 min at a time. The same logic applies to us even if some may consider it an even less risky way of transmission compared to walking/running.

I do have sympathy for those stuck in apartments with restrictions on what they can do. However, the rules are for all of us and for the overall good of the country. So yes, there will be those who are disproportionately impositioned, but it is done for good reason and those reasons outweigh any impact on daily routine for the time being.

It will end and we will get back to normal at some stage. Chin up folks and stay safe and healthy.