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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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is_that_so

smurgen wrote: »

Wasn't it the minister for health who was ultimately responsible for the running of our hospitals? Everyone was screaming for it to be tightened up for him to tackle the issues but the likes of him and Leo are only good for soundbites/deflections/slurs. The buck stops with him and he's failed to produce the goods.he's been found out now massively due to this virus.

Actually it's hospital managers first, the main culprits, then HSE for planning & overall management, secondary culprits but improving and then the DoH at the top for funds and health policies. Where the DoH/MoH has failed is in not addressing the problems all of the vested interests cause within the system.

Runaways

What is the definition of insanity again?

Kermit.de.frog

Amazing when you think about it - if SF policy had been followed to "burn" investors in the crash this country would right now require an international assistance program to provide any extra capacity since we would still be locked out of the market unable to borrow a cent.

It's only due to the corrective measures taken that the state has any capacity now to act unilaterally to handle this crisis.

Had this country gone in to this unable to fund itself the consequences would be considerably worse than what is happening now!

maccored

to answer this thread .... "It's just you ..."

Auguste Comte

all about the mane wrote: »

They are fixing it. Try to keep up

No, no they are not. They are scrambling around like headless chickens trying to mitigate a little bit of the damage they have done over their time in charge.

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

They are fixing it. Try to keep up

Link please?

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What’s the trolley watch figures now! Are A & Es overrun with patients, other than coronavirus ones?

Over 300 properties used to home the genuine homeless, now that the short term rental market has collapsed.

I hope your relative has recovered. While he was on his trolley, did you take note of the other patients? The drunks, drug abusers, those who fell a week ago and only now decided to get their injury seen to?

Wasn't it the minister for health who was ultimately responsible for the running of our hospitals? Everyone was screaming for it to be tightened up for him to tackle the issues but the likes of him and Leo are only good for soundbites/deflections/slurs. The buck stops with him and he's failed to produce the goods.he's been found out now massively due to this virus.

Strumms

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I find the comments that our heelth service is the worst in the EU disrespectful.

We actually have a fabulous heath service were patients get the best treatment that would match anyone in the world.

The trolley crisis we have been hearing about for years has shown to be a myth.

11 people waiting yesterday.

Lowest ever.

Shows that muppets drunks and wasters have been clogging it up all this time.

The exact sentiment I feel about the " homeless" crisis.

Wasters spongers and dregs of society.

You might find it disrespectful but it’s factual.

Take it from somebody who had to go through the health ‘service’ to try and get ‘fixed‘...if it wasn’t from private help provided by a community based rehabilitation company I’d be on the scrap heap, looking at a rather bleak future if any..... the health service barring frontline staff isn’t fit for purpose. The availability of rehabilitation, rehabilitation treatments is chronically absent especially from any outpatient point of view.

I know of one doctor campaigning like hell to get more places and services and he is making headway but he’s doing so from inside the system and it’s still taking time...

smurgen

Oh dear looks like the spin unit playbook is falling apart.

Yurt2

Deleted User wrote: »

What’s the trolley watch figures now! Are A & Es overrun with patients, other than coronavirus ones?

Over 300 properties used to home the genuine homeless, now that the short term rental market has collapsed.

I hope your relative has recovered. While he was on his trolley, did you take note of the other patients? The drunks, drug abusers, those who fell a week ago and only now decided to get their injury seen to?

Daily life has shut down. Activities leading to A&E visits have ground to a halt. I was in with him, one guy with a broken bone due drunken stupidity, the rest were what you'd expect: regular people in need of emergency care.

Don't get involved in stupid propoganda trying to make bad government performance look good in the face of a world changing event.

The homelessness figures are the homelessness figures, you don't get to decide who is and who isn't.

Stop the propoganda, it's disgusting.

[Deleted User]

Both my husband and I had to use A&E in the past few years, I won't go in to our experiences.

At the end of this, and it will end sometime there will have to be some report about why the A&E is not as busy as usual because either people need A&E or they don't, it could be anything from GP not referring people anymore but how are they managing at home then? or it could be the pubs closed and fewer people out. One thing for certain people are still getting sick with issues other that Covid 19.

Better Than Christ

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The exact sentiment I feel about the " homeless" crisis.

Wasters spongers and dregs of society.

People like you, who can't empathise with those less fortunate than themselves are the real dregs of society.

Auguste Comte

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I find the comments that our heelth service is the worst in the EU disrespectful.

We actually have a fabulous heath service were patients get the best treatment that would match anyone in the world.

The trolley crisis we have been hearing about for years has shown to be a myth.

11 people waiting yesterday.

Lowest ever.

Shows that muppets drunks and wasters have been clogging it up all this time.

The exact sentiment I feel about the " homeless" crisis.

Wasters spongers and dregs of society.

Comical Ali level propaganda there.

A high-profile Government TD has admitted she was embarrassed to witness the overflowing A&E in Crumlin Children’s Hospital when she attended at the weekend with her sick child.

In a startling admission, Fine Gael backbencher Kate O’Connell described the state of the emergency department as “unacceptable”.

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

Amid all the pom pom cheerleading for FG (not for the country mind you), people would do well to remember the above two comments are at all untypical of the average FG activist.

People aren't in the hospitals because they're terrified of them at the moment. And your homelessness comment is beneath contempt. Two of the biggest crisises blighting Irish public life for years and you use a global pandemic to peddle propoganda and outright lies.

This is why FG shouldn't be forgiven and should be shown the door at the end of this.

Party over country, optics over truth, every time. Yuck.

Edit: By the way, I had a close elderly relative in A&E for over 24 hours before Xmas. He is the kind of man that paid his taxes all his life and lowlifes like you suggesting he was on a trolley for the craic and that he's some sort of waster.

What’s the trolley watch figures now! Are A & Es overrun with patients, other than coronavirus ones?

Over 300 properties used to home the genuine homeless, now that the short term rental market has collapsed.

I hope your relative has recovered. While he was on his trolley, did you take note of the other patients? The drunks, drug abusers, those who fell a week ago and only now decided to get their injury seen to?

[Deleted User]

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Worse in what respect?

Try getting to see your GP in a hurry in the Uk! Usually a 2 week wait.

Yurt2

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The trolley crisis we have been hearing about for years has shown to be a myth.

The exact sentiment I feel about the " homeless"

Amid all the pom pom cheerleading for FG (not for the country mind you), people would do well to remember the above two comments are not at all untypical of the average FG activist.

People aren't in the hospitals because they're terrified of them at the moment. And your homelessness comment is beneath contempt. Two of the biggest crisises blighting Irish public life for years and you use a global pandemic to peddle propoganda and outright lies.

This is why FG shouldn't be forgiven and should be shown the door at the end of this.

Party over country, optics over truth, every time. Yuck.

Edit: By the way, I had a close elderly relative in A&E for over 24 hours before Xmas. He is the kind of man that paid his taxes all his life and lowlifes like you suggesting he was on a trolley for the craic and that he's some sort of waster.

Auguste Comte

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you been to the UK? While no longer part of the Eurozone, their healthcare system is far worse than ours. The ones with better systems also have higher taxes.

Worse in what respect?

Ireland has 5.2 ICU beds per 100,000 population, Britain has 7.2 and the European average is 11.5.

A capacity review by the Department of Health published in 2018 recommended an 80% increase in critical care beds – from 240 to 430, by 2031 but Dr Dwyer said the beds are needed now.

all about the mane

Auguste Comte wrote: »

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of, is that FG definitely haven't a clue how to fix it.

They are fixing it. Try to keep up

Auguste Comte

all about the mane wrote: »

So you haven’t a clue how to fix it.

The one thing we can be absolutely sure of, is that FG definitely haven't a clue how to fix it.

Jinglejangle69

I find the comments that our health service is the worst in the EU disrespectful.

We actually have a fabulous health service were patients get the best treatment that would match anyone in the world.

The trolley crisis we have been hearing about for years has shown to be a myth.

11 people waiting yesterday.

Lowest ever.

Shows that muppets drunks and wasters have been clogging it up all this time.

The exact sentiment I feel about the " homeless" crisis.

Wasters spongers and dregs of society.

all about the mane

smurgen wrote: »

You're the most negative person on boards. Anything that isn't the status quo is torn apart or dismissed.i don't owe suggestions to idealist driven fanatics like yourself.

Negative person? You are the one bitching and moaning. I’m the one saying what a positive position we are in.. .

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you been to the UK? While no longer part of the Eurozone, their healthcare system is far worse than ours. The ones with better systems also have higher taxes.

Do they have a higher health spend?

[Deleted User]

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Wasted by FFG mismanagement, leaving us facing into this crisis with the worst health care service in Europe.

Have you been to the UK? While no longer part of the Eurozone, their healthcare system is far worse than ours. The ones with better systems also have higher taxes.

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

So you haven’t a clue how to fix it. There’s a surprise. No wonder you have a hardon for Mary loo.
You just keep in bitching and moaning

You're the most negative person on boards. Anything that isn't the status quo is torn apart or dismissed.i don't owe suggestions to idealist driven fanatics like yourself.

all about the mane

smurgen wrote: »

If I offered solutions as a lay person you'd ridicule me as an armchair expert.i'd be better off debating a plaster board than a Finnerbot like yourself.

So you haven’t a clue how to fix it. There’s a surprise. No wonder you have a hardon for Mary loo.
You just keep in bitching and moaning

[Deleted User]

Runaways wrote: »

If we had burned the bond holders (who even are they?? A bank outside the banks?) and were unable to borrow.

Would the Eu just let us crash into depression?

Firstly, it's important to note most of the borrowings were to keep the state functioning (circa 65% iirc), so that means money to pay wages of nurses, teachers, doctors, Gardaí etc.

Had we burned the bond-holders, and let our banking system collapse we would have wiped out the savings and pensions of a huge amount of Irish people (as well as Europeans etc). At the time only savings to 25k were guaranteed, iirc. That is a lot of money, sure, but imagine working your entire life to lose anything you have saved above that?

We would also have ensured no multi-national would ever trust Irish banks again, which would have massive downstream affects for when the recovery (if it had ever happened), happened. You think Dell would keep money in Irish banks when the banks can disappear over night? Dell and Regeneron, to give two examples, employ 10,000's in the Midwest of Ireland either directly or indirectly. You take them away you aren't just losing the jobs they directly create, you are taking away the indirect jobs (pubs, restaurants, shops etc) their wages support.

It is arguable we should have left Anglo and INBS collapse, sure. But we know this with hindsight. We were rightly worried about contagion at the time. As it is, a certain amount of the loan books of both institutions were eventually profitable for the State.

Using the phrase "burn the bondholders" is meaningless imo. It's not nuanced enough for an extremely complex situation.

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

Yes. You are constantly hitching and moaning but never provide any solutions. A bit like your hero Mary Loo

If I offered solutions as a lay person you'd ridicule me as an armchair expert.i'd be better off debating a plaster board than a Finnerbot like yourself.

Wanderer78

jh79 wrote: »

Hope your right but populist parties are having success all over the world.

theres a reason for the populist 'successes' globally, both right and left, the main establishment parties are slowly failing/falling, we re going through some sort of complex transition phase. we re lucky in a way that parties such as ffg are holding ground in ireland, and i think it might be showing a level of maturity in us, and maybe stubbornness from these parties, but its also interesting to see them change, slowly accepting ideas and policies that they simply would not have entertained in the past

dasa29

is_that_so wrote: »

It is cash we have or have easy access to. The approach is also cautious - i.e. 12 weeks maximum not a full on indefinite tap for everyone in the country. The pre-election promises were estimated at €11-14bn for FF & FG and €18bn+ for SF.

I would agree with this except that as far as I knew, this was the way things were going regarding pre-election promises after reading them:

€11-14bn for FF & FG over 5 years of government

€18bn+ for SF first year of government

all about the mane

smurgen wrote: »

We're facing a recession now and FFG have left infrastructure crumbling and many homeless. They couldn't make progress during the good times and now we're being told that more or the same is the solution. Are these people for real?

What’s your solution?