hotmail.com wrote: » Pressure must grow on the New York Governor over his slow response to this disaster. New York set to be the worst hit state in America.
Leroy42 wrote: » Why would a local governor have more information that POTUS? Surely in something such as this, the lead should have come from the POTUS. The tone was set by Trump, saying it will go from 15 to zero and it will all be fine. How can you expect a local governor to overrule POTUS? I get it that they have that power, but calling on NY to shutdown in the face of the messaging from the WH would have been very difficult. Imagine is Cuomo had tried to act earlier, you would have had Trump blaming him for falls in stock market, inciting panic etc. I think that after all this is done, there are very many, including the media and the WH, that will have to answer for their decisions.
hotmail.com wrote: » Governors are essentially prime minister's of each state. The buck stops with him. New Yorkers understand this.
pixelburp wrote: » It contains the largest city in the United States, seems unsurprising that it might be one of the worst hit states. Unless it's particularly bad in terms of population vs. infection rates?
Leroy42 wrote: » But not with Trump? Seriously, I have no problem with you criticising the Governor, but to do so without any hint of criticism the man with ultimate responsibility (although he personally takes no responsibility) is breathtaking. We know Trump had info as far back as early January. We know Trump is delaying the DPA. We know Trump continued to tell everyone it was a nothingburger and nothing to worry about. Again, can you imagine if Cuomo, on the back on no actual public information, had tried to shut down NY? It is a ridiculous notion that he would, or even could have, given the way that Trump was lying to the American people. This is 100% on Trump's shoulders. If there were delays, they can be traced directly back to the position that Trump took at the start, and continues to take. Luckily, the more able politicians and professionals are stepping up pto fill the void in both leadership and ability that Trump leaves in his wake.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Yes. Tremendous pressure. The best pressure. There is absolutely no possible way you can construe that opinion from all that has been going on unless you were being wilfully disingenuous. You couldn't possibly believe that. I mean, your lack of interest in day-to-day American politics, because it doesn't affect you, should at least disqualify you from having such a contrary opinion, surely?
hotmail.com wrote: » Trump useless. We know that. But each state has it's own powers. The NY Governor trying to evade criticism by pushing the blame on Trump. Media obsession with Trump happy to oblige him.
Ben Done wrote: » The lack of interest is , ahem, Trumped by the poster's general disposition to be on the wind up, across several threads.
Foxtrol wrote: » Trump and his supporters will still blame him though when things get bad.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Governors would be essentially presidents not each state? No? Each States' set up (senate, house, law enforcement, judiciary) is the same (or miniature version) as the federal government. Governors have huge powers in relation to their individual states to a point.
Penn wrote: » through Trump's handling of things from the offset, States could not reasonably have been as prepared as they should have been, and are now on the back foot.
Penn wrote: » I think the issue, and the difference between Cuomo and Trump, is information. Trump had earlier and far more access to greater information about the virus. That information would be supposed to trickle down to States from the Federal government, but through Trump's handling of things from the offset, States could not reasonably have been as prepared as they should have been, and are now on the back foot.
Leroy42 wrote: » Each state has its own powers, but they are also in a federal system where the POTUS is the person with overall control. Otherwise what is the point of POTUS. Going by you logic, all the previous stuff that Trump took credit for, unemployment numbers, stock market etc, has nothing to do with him..
Manic Moran wrote: » The buck for this stops at the State Government, be they well supported or poor. I have seen nothing to indicate that Cuomo isn’t playing the best possible with the the hand that he has held when this started. I have not looked into the details to see whether, like in California, New York cut its healthcare and pandemic response spending. It seems that this would have exceeded the State’s capacity to fully resolve no matter what reasonable preparations could be made. However, the federal reserve of respirators is not Cuomo’s to demand. He is already ahead of most states, he’s getting one of the Navy’s two hospital ships and the Feds are footing the bill for much of his Guard activation. When Florida’s older-than-average population starts to exceed Florida’s ability to deal with the problem, I’m sure DeSantis would like to see those respirators where he is. And there is always the possibility of something entirely different piling on on top of Coronavirus which will require the distribution of the reserve. A fundamental maxim is to always maintain a reserve. If you dispatch the one you have, reconstitute a new one by pulling resources from somewhere else. For whatever the disaster is that Trump has been with the press conferences, he seems to be doing what the advisors are telling him. If the federal SMEs are not suggesting he release the reserve, it doesn’t matter what Cuomo says. Cuomo’s looming out for New York’s interests, as he should. Not the US’s interest.
Manic Moran wrote: » Funny you should ask that, as there are multiple schools of thought on this question. Historically, the point of POTUS is to conduct matters of external interest (eg diplomacy, wars, international trade), and domestically the federal government is to facilitate co-ordination between and support the States. Healthcare is not in the federal government’s job description. Note how even though the Feds are paying for the National Guard in New York, they are not controlling them. An excellent example of this is the response to Katrina. Relief efforts in Louisiana lagged behind those of other States because the Louisiana governor did not give the relevant permissions to the feds, under the law at the time, Bush could not override the State (This has since been changed a bit). The buck for this stops at the State Government, be they well supported or poor. I have seen nothing to indicate that Cuomo isn’t playing the best possible with the the hand that he has held when this started. I have not looked into the details to see whether, like in California, New York cut its healthcare and pandemic response spending. It seems that this would have exceeded the State’s capacity to fully resolve no matter what reasonable preparations could be made. However, the federal reserve of respirators is not Cuomo’s to demand. He is already ahead of most states, he’s getting one of the Navy’s two hospital ships and the Feds are footing the bill for much of his Guard activation. When Florida’s older-than-average population starts to exceed Florida’s ability to deal with the problem, I’m sure DeSantis would like to see those respirators where he is. And there is always the possibility of something entirely different piling on on top of Coronavirus which will require the distribution of the reserve. A fundamental maxim is to always maintain a reserve. If you dispatch the one you have, reconstitute a new one by pulling resources from somewhere else. For whatever the disaster is that Trump has been with the press conferences, he seems to be doing what the advisors are telling him. If the federal SMEs are not suggesting he release the reserve, it doesn’t matter what Cuomo says. Cuomo’s looming out for New York’s interests, as he should. Not the US’s interest.
Headshot wrote: » Wow how impressive is Governor Cuomo NY are very very lucky to have him
Foxtrol wrote: » I agree with a lot of it but some of your post is just buying into Trump PR. Trump simply hasn't been doing what his advisers tell him when they tell him, in nearly every situation he is waiting to follow their guidance until the last minute or most times when it is too late. To make matters even worse, he is already setting things up to roll things back far too soon. The federal SMEs might not be suggesting that they release the reserve but they are suggesting that Trump should order companies to start producing them and PPEs. Trump is again feigning that he is doing something here.On the hospital ships, they aren't going to be there for a few weeks and when they arrive they won't directly be tasked or able to support any virus efforts. Again, more PR than any actual help.
TomOnBoard wrote: » Actually, if I understand the plan correctly, they'll be a great help as it is envisaged that they will treat non-Covid hospital cases from the existing cohort of in-patients who can be moved onto them,as well as new non-Covid cases such as Coronaries etc. The Comfort ought to be in NewYork by end of next week which will hopefully be ahead of the expected Covid surge.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Future presidential material.
BonnieSituation wrote: » I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. But I wouldn't necessarily make such a statement myself.
Ben Done wrote: » I'm afraid my tolerance of boll0xology has lowered dramatically in recent weeks. I've been calling out space Invaders in the queue, but equally praising retail workers for the key workers they are, in recent days. This is not a time for niceties. It's the time for sensible people to invoke the 25th Amendment, in my opinion.
