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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.

Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.

FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.

But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.

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Runaways

If any of the regular ordinary fine gael (ahaha) voters here can detail any one thing they’ve done that’s beneficial to them in their lives or any ordinary citizen in the past even 3 years I’d love to hear it. Enlighten us oh godlings

We all want to hear it. What have they actually done.
Swear I won’t bring up them inconvenient 10,000,homeless people due to bank repossessions.
I swear.

Go for it.

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Coming from someone who came up with this nugget thats a compliment

:P:P:P:P:P:P
P.S you need to buy a new keyboards, the caps lock button is fu*ked on yours

And exactly what was wrong with that.

A commercial vehicle is any vehicle owned by a company. That could be a HGV, a van a car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_vehicle

Maybe you should buy a dictionary

Shefwedfan

efanton wrote: »

You still haven't managed to make you previous post intelligible.

Coming from someone who came up with this nugget thats a compliment

efanton wrote: »

MOST commercial traffic is NOT heavy good vehicles, its mostly vans and company reps.

:P:P:P:P:P:P
P.S you need to buy a new keyboards, the caps lock button is fu*ked on yours

Runaways

all about the mane wrote: »

hook line and sinker!

a shinner claiming that anyone else doesn't know about economics

President McWilliams here is about to explain everything to us folks.

Strap in. He has trouble spelling three letter words and names but he assured us he has the answers.

Let’s go.

efanton

NovemberWren wrote: »

@ efanton.

is it unfair to charge such different amounts for council houses that are exactly the same. If it is a family house and a young adult has a good job (however long that might last) that young adult might be saving for a deposit for their own place.

i.e., actual the actual council house itself is the same as the actual other council houses?

Or, are these evictions, connected to council houses, where a householder is taking in others (not family members) to live.

AS far as I am aware council rents are based on a sliding scale dependent on income, be that from social welfare benefit or earnings.

Do I think it is unfair for different people to pay different rents based on income, NO.

Those fortunate enough to be working and have a council tenancy are paying SIGNIFICANTLY less (hundreds of euro a month) than they would if they were renting privately. They were not forced to take the council tenancy, but only a fool wouldn't , and there's hundreds of others on waiting lists that would give their eye teeth to have the same opportunity.

The young adult you talk off probably couldn't even afford to save while renting in the private sector, so I miss the point of you using that example.
That house with a young adult who is working is most likely paying less than €300 a month to the council rather than €900+ that the same young adult would be paying in the private sector.

I do not understand what you mean by

Or, are these evictions, connected to council houses, where a householder is taking in others (not family members) to live.

NovemberWren

@ efanton.

is it unfair to charge such different amounts for council houses that are exactly the same. If it is a family house and a young adult has a good job (however long that might last) that young adult might be saving for a deposit for their own place.

i.e., actual the actual council house itself is the same as the actual other council houses?

Or, are these evictions, connected to council houses, where a householder is taking in others (not family members) to live.

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I see, a Trump supporter :P

Me a trump supporter. not a hope.
The man is a complete idiot.

You still haven't managed to make you previous post intelligible.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yea sure.

But did it even dawn on you when 'analysing' SF to have a look/comparison with others?

Funny, I have been accused now of FF, Green and now FG supporter

All accusations by SF supporters while rolling out tripe and thinking noone would call it out. Or you one of the SF supporters that isnt a supporter but is a supporters on boards

Shefwedfan

efanton wrote: »

I'm sure that might have meant something to you, but it makes no grammatical sense whatsoever

Given up on the M50?

?

What has Trump got to do with anything?

What BS cant be stopped?

I see, a Trump supporter :P

efanton

joeguevara wrote: »

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think you have misunderstood this. The article that you have quoted does say the highest earners are the ones in default. But, as far as I can see and maybe I’m incorrect ( as the article is behind a pay wall} it is the top earners who qualify for social housing council tenancy which is 42k a yea joint income. That’s not top earners that you were talking about is it?

it is behind a pay wall which is exactly why I posted the quotes

“When you take €800-plus as something we would call a high income"
By top earners the lady was referring to the top earners who ALSO had a council tenancy.

So yes what she classifies as top earners is joint incomes of €42k a year or more.

the point is though those that earn most seem to be the ones that are most likely to default on payment.

joeguevara

efanton wrote: »

I think everyone would agree.

But FG have had 10 years to do something about it, and how many have been evicted or threatened with with eviction?

Yet in Dublin its nor the poorest that dont pay their rent it is those that that earn the most and have council tenancies.

Rose Kenny executive manager of the council’s housing department said

Here she is talking about €800 a week not a month

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/top-earning-city-council-tenants-most-likely-to-default-on-rent-1.4106254

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think you have misunderstood this. The article that you have quoted does say the highest earners are the ones in default. But, as far as I can see and maybe I’m incorrect ( as the article is behind a pay wall} it is the top earners who qualify for social housing council tenancy which is 42k a yea joint income. That’s not top earners that you were talking about is it?

efanton

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Just to be clear I wasn't poor bashing merely trying to help with a link.

Why do council's get away with everything? Why are things always the governments fault?

Because government can change legislation and the law.
Any prosecution that the county council might proceed with has to go through the department of justice.

I don't doubt that some county councils are being lazy. But if you think about it, if you evict a council tenant who is responsible for housing them? They will probably have to house these people in emergency accommodation which will cost them even more.

I would imagine the sensible way to do this would be to change the law so that arrears can be automatically deducted from wage packets or social welfare payments. Probably not the most popular thing for any government to be doing which is why no government has ever tried.

ThunbergsAreGo

efanton wrote: »

I think everyone would agree.

But FG have had 10 years to do something about it, and how many have been evicted or threatened with with eviction?

Yet in Dublin its nor the poorest that dont pay their rent it is those that that earn the most and have council tenancies.

Rose Kenny executive manager of the council’s housing department said

Here she is talking about €800 a week not a month

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/top-earning-city-council-tenants-most-likely-to-default-on-rent-1.4106254

Just to be clear I wasn't poor bashing merely trying to help with a link.

Why do council's get away with everything? Why are things always the governments fault?

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

If you don't want to answer or some might say evade the question that's fine

I have no intention of answering what is patently a stupid question.
I do suggest though you read your own link, probably should have been your first action instead of the 50% evasion crap.

BarryD2

Wanderer78 wrote: »

nonsense, European central banks have the ability to create this money, but they probably wont, resulting in the usual approach of qe and rate reduction

They probably will to some extent anyway to help pay for all this. But of course that will also diminish the value of rainy day savings that prudent people put aside exactly for situations like this..

ThunbergsAreGo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The poster i replied to claimed there was 50% evasion in rent throughout LA housing in the country , you are claiming it's 50% in DCC even your link contradicts you. Evasion and Arrears are not the same thing. If either of those words are difficult for you to understand you can Google their meaning.

If you don't want to answer or some might say evade the question that's fine

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes, I understand.
Do you think 50 percent non payment is ok?

The poster i replied to claimed there was 50% evasion in rent throughout LA housing in the country , you are claiming it's 50% in DCC even your link contradicts you. Evasion and Arrears are not the same thing. If either of those words are difficult for you to understand you can Google their meaning.

efanton

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

50 percent non payment in any area is too much, I assume you would agree?

I think everyone would agree.

But FG have had 10 years to do something about it, and how many have been evicted or threatened with with eviction?

Yet in Dublin its nor the poorest that dont pay their rent it is those that that earn the most and have council tenancies.

Rose Kenny executive manager of the council’s housing department said

The lower-income households account for the smallest percentage of the arrears,” Rose Kenny executive manager of the council’s housing department said. “When you take €800-plus as something we would call a high income, and that includes subsidiary earners in a household, they account for over 44 per cent of the outstanding arrears.”

The 25 tenants who have allowed their debts to exceed €27,000 were in this higher-earning bracket, she said.”

Here she is talking about €800 a week not a month

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/top-earning-city-council-tenants-most-likely-to-default-on-rent-1.4106254

ThunbergsAreGo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The claim was 50% of ALL local authority housing . A bs claim.
Btw you do understand the difference between arrears and evasion I hope?.

Yes, I understand.
Do you think 50 percent non payment is ok?

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

The shinners have never been so triggered. Can’t blame them really. Only those muppets could turn an election result like that into such an own-goal

Is this meant to mean something? The quality of your posts have been shocking lately.

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

50 percent non payment in any area is too much, I assume you would agree?

The claim was 50% of ALL local authority housing . A bs claim.
Btw you do understand the difference between arrears and evasion I hope?.

ThunbergsAreGo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The poster claimed 50% evasion in local authority housing in the country. Since they haven't replied I can assume they are spouting crap like so many here.

50 percent non payment in any area is too much, I assume you would agree?

efanton

Shefwedfan wrote: »

At least you have given up on m50

Why was I complaining? It’s called explaining, good on them. Trump done the same in US and still doing it now, just watch the video about Corvid 19 and he disregarded it and now it says he knew all along it was serious. People lapping it up, SF the exact same, people lapping it up

Just the SF supporters seem to think nobody can stop the BS, unfortunately people can

I'm sure that might have meant something to you, but it makes no grammatical sense whatsoever

Given up on the M50?

Why was I complaining? It’s called explaining, good on them

?

What has Trump got to do with anything?

Just the SF supporters seem to think nobody can stop the BS, unfortunately people can

What BS cant be stopped?

all about the mane

The shinners have never been so triggered. Can’t blame them really. Only those muppets could turn an election result like that into such an own-goal

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

It is in DCC

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/first-dublin-city-council-social-housing-tenant-to-be-evicted-for-rent-arrears-1.4085923%3fmode=amp

The poster claimed 50% evasion in local authority housing in the country. Since they haven't replied I can assume they are spouting crap like so many here.

ThunbergsAreGo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

50% evasion, is there any links to back up your claim?

It is in DCC

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/first-dublin-city-council-social-housing-tenant-to-be-evicted-for-rent-arrears-1.4085923%3fmode=amp

NovemberWren

Jizique wrote: »

SF don’t have to pay any rent then; nobody would pay rent if SF got in - isn’t there a 50% evasion of local authority rents in the country already

S.F. are the willing toe-rags of every English shops' conglomerates that operate in this country; their plan at present though is to ensure that their 'Selected' progeny get second-third diplomas; and S.F. will ascend to their hierarchial nazi-Supremacist place of being Over-Lords.

meanwhile, they cynically utilise the 'non-select' poor as votes. merely.

the FFG contingents of schizos are a problem in all of this - as they have both funded to votes of social and private.

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No idea

I don’t supportFG

Yea sure.

But did it even dawn on you when 'analysing' SF to have a look/comparison with others?

Shefwedfan

efanton wrote: »

So now you are complaining that SF are better at communicating and using social media to get their message out, yet FG with their Communications Unit and a entire government department and government press office at their disposal cant. Surely you are not suggesting that SF are more competent at communicating and FG are incompetent when it comes to getting their message across.

You see part of the problem is people visit sites like this or social media and instead of seeing FG or their supporters using facts and figure and rational arguments to support what they are saying, all they see is slurs and soundbites with very little to back it up.

I wonder why people take more notice of what opposition parties might have to say rather than the soundbites and deflections that FG and its supporter put out.

Why not disposes of using deflection and constant slurs and argue your case with actual facts, criticise opposition policies or opinions with the reason why they might be bad with a solid factual explanation. You never know you might actually persuade someone to change their view. If all you are going to do is resort to cat calling or insults no one is going to listen to you or take you seriously.

Worst of all is belittling people by telling them they don't understand economics. The best economists in the country are housewife's who have to perform miracles with the little money they have at their disposal

At least you have given up on m50

Why was I complaining? It’s called explaining, good on them. Trump done the same in US and still doing it now, just watch the video about Corvid 19 and he disregarded it and now it says he knew all along it was serious. People lapping it up, SF the exact same, people lapping it up

Just the SF supporters seem to think nobody can stop the BS, unfortunately people can

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many vids did FG have to take down during the election campaign?

No idea

I don’t supportFG