str8talkingguy wrote: » I would question the 3-4 percent because the stronger people physically will just get on with things when they catch the flu,and there will be a lot of these people. So its unlikely they will ever present for testing,and the death rate is going to be higher within the weaker people,skewing the figures.
IAMAMORON wrote: » I am not overly concerned in debating the stats. I think my main point is that the virus is not as deadly as we are being led to believe. Albeit, it is a killer. The figures from Italy are distressing if I am being honest. I also find the collapse in trends from China too good to be true. At this point I would be placing most credence on the European statistics. Allover however I think the 3-4 % death rate might be high, but in all reality it is simply too early to properly tell. But I am generally cynical about the general perception of the virus as extolled by mainstream media. Pubs are still open in Germany for example.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Germany had 3000 new cases last night, and they probably hiding the real figures to protect their economy. Some good news. The timeline bad news.https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain
IAMAMORON wrote: » I also have read that in Germany they are not listing the cause of death as Corona unless the departed have not had any underlying conditions. So for example if you are an asthmatic who has died of pneumonia as a result of contracting the virus they are stating that you are an asthmatic who has died of pneumonia. I would not however be overly cynical of the German health system or their data collection methods. If anything the Germans are overly honest and transparent by nature. Don't confuse this with compassion or anything, but they are systematically honest. I doubt they are hiding anything, not in their nature.
IAMAMORON wrote: » It is a very fair point. I do think however that as a human race we are very prepared, the death rate is current circa 3-4% for infected persons. Given the death toll of 11,000 it is fair to say that human immune systems collectively are robust. The global population is 8 billion or so, 11,000 is small beans all things considered. I would be more concerned about human reliance on anti biotics to tackle infections. It has been muted by the medical profession for some time that this has the potential to cause issues in the future as bacteria and virus become more potent and learn to adapt against antibiotics. Once the dust settles and the hysteria calms down people should really examine how they are allowing media to influence their decision making so easily. The entire episode has been almost Orwellian.
str8talkingguy wrote: » Somebody is always making money,Doctors and the science community are all over the tv they are are doing pretty well off this,
str8talkingguy wrote: » we gotta get jobs for these graduates that spent years at college and nowhere to use their knowledge to pad their wallets,now is their time.
str8talkingguy wrote: » To make money first and foremost as with most things the pharma industry does.If you believe big pharma cares about you and me then you are probably on the wrong thread.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Does the first paragraph not prove my point?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » antibiotics have no effect on viruses
IAMAMORON wrote: » Agreed, but I don't think there is anything sinister about their motives for this. Germany is systematic, they do everything correctly. You will find that in 2 months when the AOK( German Health System) has correctly documented Covid 19 they will adjust the figures. They don't mess around like that, they are strict as phuck, a spade is a spade. There will be a fundamental reason underlying why they are collating their data in this way long term. It could be as simple a reason as that their health authority has not acquiesced exactly what the virus is or something similar. But they are not playing funky numbers, they don't do like that over there. I lived in Germany over 25 years ago. I recently got some dental work done in Dublin. My dentist was able to contact the German health system who had a record of my dental treatments while living there 25 years ago. Germans are mad for stats. The details of my root canal treatment were on a central database in Germany, 25 year old dental records. A PDF of the xray was sent over.
IAMAMORON wrote: » Prove it.
generalgerry wrote: » It's very difficult what to believe any more.https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/london-real/david-icke-the-truth-behind-euPLNKCYAXk/ David Icke gave his opinions on what he thinks is going on with the Coronavirus with London Real earlier this week and I think it's worth a listen.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you want me to prove basic science? the clue is in the name, you dont need to be a doctor to know that antibiotics dont work on viruses. You've just embarrassed yourself
IAMAMORON wrote: » Go on then, enlighten me please. Prove it. I don't get embarrassed by the way.
Antibiotics do not work on viruses, such as those that cause colds, flu, bronchitis, or runny noses, even if the mucus is thick, yellow, or green. Antibiotics are only needed for treating infections caused by bacteria, but even some bacterial infections get better without antibiotics.
greenfield21 wrote: » It seems like the Chinese connection to Italy through the textile industry along with undocumented workers is been completely ignored by the media. Surely that is one of the main reasons why certain areas lost control of this virus and are completely decimated there.
Clarence Boddiker wrote: » A recent primetime episode attributed the spread in Lombardy to Italians being very touchy feely, which of course is true, but they never mentioned the tens of thousands of Chinese resident there, and the fact that many of them were returning from holidays from affected regions of China. RTE really are possibly the most sophisticated fake news outfit on this earth...even many North Koreans understand that their media is propaganda, certainly millions of Chinese do...but almost all Irish people genuinely believe RTE are completely objective.
kyote00 wrote: » There has been a noticable increase in private jet travel between Cayman Islands, Belize and British virgins islands last few days Money moving to safe havens ? One just landed at shannon, another heading to stansted. Same story every day this week....
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I hadn't realised doctors had received a massive pay rise thanks to the pandemic. they will be thrilled to hear this. I'd forgotten about the hordes of medical and virology graduates just sitting around waiting for work. not related to anything i posted or even to anything you posted.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Italy has about 5 to 6 percent death peak. Many of the people recovered have long-term lung damage. Figures are low, but what happens if a million people get it? Italy health system has broken down in the north of the country. 40,000 thousand cases only so far!
